Any Texan will tell you if it has beans it’s not actually Chili

I’m a Texan and I’ve always found posturing like that to be a little silly. Like people who make a huge deal about how little vermouth they think goes into a martini.

To clarify, I like chili with or without beans, according to my mood at the time. Chili with beans in a situation that calls for chili is still better than no chili.

brb. Switching distros.

Hopefully the party will have primaries.

One for unionizing, two to cover for closing the store that unionized.

From where? That was my initial assertion.

What’s with people who are like “Let’s compromise with evil and have a little evil, then.”

Oh, that’s simple. They know it’s never just a little evil.

It’s really not that hard to find something else to watch.

There being no ethical consumption under capitalism doesn’t absolve you from trying.

Perfection is the enemy of good.

Transphobia isn’t good.

You havent advocated for anything but voter apathy and disengagent.

I get that you think that since you can’t imagine a politician moving away from your only policy.

which is my main counterpoint to the OP’s point of view since such a perspective justifies not voting for the lesser evil to send a message to Democrats that they need to field better candidates.

I don’t think this is effective. I consider the centrist messaging that progressives stayed home to “teach democrats a lesson” to be how centrists frame their unwillingness to appeal to an electorate they want to rule instead of serve.

Pepsi isn’t going to print an insert for every machine. They’re gonna print an insert that fits the machine you have to rent from Pepsi. Same with Coke.

So how can this nightmare cycle be broken?

Vote blue no matter who hasn’t worked. Even when a democrat wins, it’s some genocidal shitlib like biden. And when democrats lose, they blame the left they refuse to listen to and move to the right because they want to and pretend that they’re chasing the votes of republicans, even though they know that’s not going to happen and even though they know no one’s actually buying the pretense.

Perhaps. But they can never be trusted again.

And that means all actions must be regarded as calculated malice. And centrists earned this.

I think both are true, liberals might prefer to lose over admitting they’re wrong but it also seems like the vast majority of them genuinely can’t wrap their head around how they’re losing. The idea that killing innocent people in other countries could possibly be enough to turn people against them is beyond comprehension.

Once they supported genocide, they forfeited the benefit of the doubt and lost all trust. Caution in the face of the genocidal requires that pleas of incompetence be regarded as apologia for malice. They know why they lost. They know they’re wrong. They don’t care. As long as genocide had unconditional support in the immediate term, that’s the only thing that mattered to centrists. They walked into this clear eyed and delighted to murder as many Palestinians as they could, consequences for the whole world be damned.

I’m sad that leftists there had no ethical choice in the last decade other than to grit their teeth and vote Dems

I don’t believe that you are.

That doesn’t alter the fact that the entire electoral system in the US is Mathematically rigged to make it pretty much impossible to succeed in a candidate from a 3rd party being elected as president

If democrats aren’t going to be a second party, we should select a different party to be our second party.

except I don’t go around literally lashing out at everyone in earshot as “you fuckers” or “you genociders” before they have even opened their mouth.

Nope, you go around assuming that anyone who has a problem with genocide must be a nonvoter instead. And you’re in abundant company on this thread.

That assumption is convenient for people who would like to silence all opposition to genocide, as it lumps the entire anti-genocide left into one group and blames them for the loss they warned you about.

It’s a bit ridiculous and 95% of people are going to immediately believe write you off as a troll.

Any opposition to genocide is preemptively written off, as you did.

Design, get design approved, print inserts, package inserts, ship inserts, give lead time for most stores to receive inserts, swap inserts, discard old inserts.

As opposed to design, get design approved, send.

I think that at the very first hint of fuckery, everyone should vote in the green party’s primaries and write in the progressive candidate that the party is exerting influence to block. Democrats don’t deserve voters ever again if they’re not going to listen to them.

We can just walk in and take over the green party. They’re tiny and have tiny primaries.