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Their hardware is also garbage. My MX Anywhere 3 lasted only two years. I had no brand Chinese mice that lasted longer.
sweats in 1 yr 10 mos of ownership What happened to it?
Capitalism happened. Designed to fail.
EVGA hardware sucks balls
Corsair hardware sucks balls
Razor hardware sucks balls
Logitech hardware sucks balls
Oddly enough, the only mouse that I’ve NEVER had issues with is a 5$ chinese MMO mouse with zero software or ‘fancy crap’ embedded. It just works. That mouse is now $50 for some reason.
Have to disagree on EVGA. I’ve purchased a lot of their hardware and any time I had an issue their support and RMAs were great. I’m really sad they got out of the video card business.
You disagree that they have hardware issues because they handled your return well when you had… hardware issues?
I have had probably 5 of their video cards and 4 or 5 of their power supplies. I’ve had one video card die a month before the 3 year warranty was up, and they sent me a much more powerful card as a replacement. That’s good service.
I’ve had one power supply die and they cross shipped me a replacement, had it 3 days later.
Nothing is bulletproof, components fail. It’s how the company handles it that matters, to me.
That means they have good customer service, but surely you see that every example is more data for the OPs claim that the hardware isn’t up to snuff yeah?
No, I don’t agree. What would a list of companies that never have hardware issues with their products look like? Spoiler alert, it would be a blank sheet of paper. Every company that makes electronics hardware has some level of defects. Perfection is an impossible standard to reach economically, and nothing lasts forever. If you have been lucky to not have hardware problems from a particular vendor, then that’s it, just luck.
I’ve worked with enterprise network and server hardware for over 25 years now. Dell, HP, IBM, NetApp, EMC, Cisco, name any major tech hardware player and I’ve replaced their broken equipment in a datacenter. And all that equipment is (supposedly) built to a higher standard than consumer grade hardware. It still fails. Some companies handle that in a way that benefits the customer. Most don’t. EVGA has always done it right that I’ve seen, so I have to give them props. Everything I ever bought from EVGA (or its RMA’d replacement) is still running in my house. Nothing has yet failed out of warranty in at least 10 years of buying their stuff. I’d call that a good track record.
EVGA is THE WORST imo
My 5dollarjunky mouse is running on 8 years now.
During those 8 years I attempted upgrades. I have 2 broken razor mine that won’t left click constantly.
I have 3 EVGA x15 mice that won’t stay connected. Issue persists on multiple computers and is seemingly random. I bought 1, and they sent me replacements twice.
I went back to my cheap Chinese mouse as a result.
I keep the garbage as a reminder to not buy those companies stuff.only thing I give EVGA credit for is their video cards. Amazing quality.
You got me there, I’ve never used one of their mice. I didn’t even know they made them. I have only purchased video cards and power supplies from them, and haven’t ever been disappointed. But no company always gets it right. Maybe they should stick to the things they’re good at!
Evga makes baller PSUs as well
Agreed, I only use them or Seasonic, and it’s been a long time since I bought a Seasonic.
I do give them credit for non accessory hardware. Amazing psu and video cards, accessories, trash.
Thanks, ill keep that in mind
I believe they are actually rebranded seasonic PSUs (which isn’t uncommon for other brands as well)
Oh aye? Is that a recent development? I got mine right when the news as their leaving the GPU market broke (i liked the things commenters were saying about their quality). Mine is labeled evga still so i didn’t know this.
Nah I think at least some of their PSUs have been Seasonic for a long time.
Apparently at least some of the higher end Corsair PSUs are also Seasonic.
I have to say i own a decent amount of Corsair hardware (kb+m, RAM, SSD and PSU), and none has ever given me an issue. Most of it I got a few years back so maybe that was before they declined?
Compared to Razer, where I’ve owned 3 mice and all of them failed one way or another. Decent keyboards though.
FYI many of Corsair’s PSUs are just their branding slapped on a different company’s part (made for them obviously), so some are okay to good, and some are trash
Edit: To be clear I use a ton of Corsair products (RAM, AiO, KB+M, Case, Fans) so not shitting on them, though their software is absolute dog shit tier. iCue will randomly disappear from my system every so often, only for all the files to still be there…but no executable.
Most of their products are produced in places like China but their RAM is still produced in Taiwan and high quality
Yes I did a decent amount of research on their PSUs, I managed to get one with a pretty solid reputation.
And I’m on Linux and use a community made software suite called CKB-Next, so I haven’t had to deal with iCue in a couple years thankfully
Definitely capitalism. These companies are under constant pressure from shareholders to increase profits year over year.
Once they can’t increase profits by growing the market share anymore, they increase it by making their products shittier.
Yes, some mid-low random mice can run for 10+ years, I had a couple. But on average they break much more frequently, and you have no guarantee to repair\replace them given by a producer\shop, that I also used when bought branded devices and was pretty happy with them returning money or giving me another one without much delays. You can afford up to 10 $5 mice before you get to the real treasure without stepping over a $50 mark, right, and it may become a frugal hobby, sometimes becoming into a hardware reselling game. But the gambling aspect, risky uncertainty is not for everyone, especially if we are talking something expensive like v-cards - in modern times, with integrated gfx having no problem supporting popular MMOs, those who still buy them really need them for some reason and getting them melt on the go is either a deep frustration or troubles at work, with hobbies. I, for once, can’t afford to replace mine with prices still going crazy, even if it’s 2-3 times cheaper than the pricey one, and still don’t find a reason even though it’s not as shiny as it was years ago. Comfort is a product too, and sometimes it’s not just a facade.
Catastrophe
The left button trigger broke. I couldn’t drag and click anymore.
Same thing happened with my MX Anywhere 2, but at least that one lasted four years.
Logitech is getting shittier…
I’m only a few months in 😬
On the other hand, I have Logitech keyboards and mice that I bought more than a decade ago still going strong
I’m extremely satisfied with my logitech mx master 3, the magnetic wheel is fucking amazing, but this is just my personal opinion, I haven’t exhaustively tested many other logitech devices
In general their mice are weirdly perverse in the way they fail. I’ve never seen one fail in any way besides the buttons, usually failing into double-clicking. Like it feels like they would last super-long if they just used better components for the buttons. The mousewheel has never failed on me, the radio has never failed on me, the main sensor has never failed on me, nor the laser… just the clicky buttons.
Really? I still use one from 2014
Products 10 years ago were better made in general
Am on my second 502, the first one lasted until this year, from the release year. Phenomenal hardware. The only dud by them I had in the past 25 years were my current keyboard, the G512, that developed near-instant chatter.
I’m on my second one of their trackball mice in 8 years, and the first one only failed because I hit it too hard getting frustrated at a videogame. My G915 mechanical keyboard is going strong at 3 years old now, and my brother even left it upside down in a puddle once. I really don’t get all these accessories of failing Logitech hardware.
If you really like rollerball mice and have the money, the ones I recommend are either the ELECOM Huge Trackball Mouse or the Gameball. The Elecom starts around $100 and the Gameball is around $300 depending where you live.
i wish there was an enthusiast custom mouse segment of the market like there is for mechKBs.
then we could simply build our own.As a ounterpoint, I got a Logitech g700 a bajillion years ago that lasted thru my wow years iirc 2010-2018 and after that, it had a button problem where the left mouse button kept double clicking on its own, i sent a letter asking logitech how i could fix it and they sent me a g700s (the newer version) for free, that i am using right this second.
The scroll wheel button is a little loose but otherwise it’s solid as hell.
But the software is actual bullshit that is not that intuitive and stops working randomly.
I forgive them. I dunno if they’ve fallen in quality since then however, which would really be a fucking shame cuz with my experience id recommend their hardware over many others.
My G700 just started having double click issues recently, after almost 12 years of heavy use. Debated disassembling it and replacing the switch, but it’s so worn out, especially the scroll wheel, that I decided to search for a replacement mouse instead, as I couldn’t find any new G700 or G700S in stores any more.
I really wanted a mouse with plenty of side buttons, so I replaced it with a Razer Naga V2 Pro with the 6-button side panel, which I really like so far (I was skeptical at first). Only thing I really miss is the Logitech “Infinite Scroll” zero friction scrolling.
The buttons on the G700s will also pop eventually. I recommend you learn how to take it apart and replace the switches before they go bad.
The G700s is kind of a pain to disassemble (and there’s a mod to make it easier to assemble and disassemble for the future).
The only thing close to a successor to that mouse is a G604, and not only did it get discontinued in a very short time frame, but it also has cheap switches. My G700s started double clicking after several years of use (I’d like to say 5?) but my G604 started double clicking after like two years. And let me tell you, yes you don’t need to mod it to make the insides more accessible, but the inside is much more annoying to navigate. Several different screw lengths and sizes, a lot of unintuitive plastic interlocking parts, as opposed to two stacked PCBs in the G700/G700s.
I’ve swapped the switches on both with switches made by Kailh that are supposedly much longer lasting. The G604 is basically perfect from a layout perspective (the rubber wears out much faster than the hard textured shell of a G700/G700s though, which I don’t like. I’ve superglued it back into place where it peeled, but really, it’s a shame how even Logitech makes things this low quality now. It’s both good and disappointing that the fixes are very easy, because yes you can fix them, but why the hell is that a point of failure in the first place?
The software was shit and it only got worse. So, you know. No notes there. Praying on my hands and knees for something like QMK to pop up that we can flash all our mice with once and for all.
I get the feeling their hardware quality is dropping fast. The old stuff was great.
My old MX Anywhere 2 survived four years of abuse before getting the double click issue, I’ve been using my G533 headset almost every day for five years now and it’s still going strong, but the “top of the line” mouse I bought two years ago is already dead.
Even their hardware is suffering.
I moved to a knockoff trackball (Nulea) that’s considerably better so far, simply because I went through two trackballs in three years.
Yeah, I used to have a pair of logitech G35 headphones and they were the best headphones I’ve ever had. When they eventually broke I replaced them with the newer G635 and they’re so much worse. I can’t even use the buttons on them because they don’t send any keycode at all before being initialized by the software which is windows only
Was it the switches on the right/left mouse button? That’s usually my failure point.
Mouse wheel on one, power failure on the other. The second one my cats kept knocking to the floor so I can’t really blame Logitech on that one but with the Nulea one it really hit home that Logitech doesn’t refine their designs any longer.
With my G604, the rubber sheet on top of the mouse comes loose after 2 years or so. Started again yesterday. Once it starts to disintegrate, I’ll just leave Logitech behind for good.
I have been using the MX Ergo trackball for years and it is very reliable.
I have personally RMAed 3 mouses for double click issues and replaced the switches in my current mouse. Hardware is bad.
Yep, they have a problem with the micro-switches. I’ve RMAed 2 of them for the same reason. I replaced a 3rd with some no-name Chinese mouse before it could fail on me.
Jumping on the Logitech hardware trashing. Bought two G613 keyboards in the past couple years. Each one failed shortly after the 1 year warranty period. Both had the same double pressing chatter issue. I’ve been avoiding their mice for a while due to double clicking problems.
Headphones are absolute trash and die constantly. But their MX Master series? I couldn’t be happier if I tried. Absolute top of the line. Gaming keyboards look the same cheap trash as others, so I wouldn’t wanna try em anyway.
I wouldn’t game fast game with the MX Master, but for productivity work, this is one of the best mouse i’ve used. My hand never gets tired.
Oh yeah, they are heavy.
Sounds like you too got your keyboard wet. I cleaned my G13 Orion once with liquids and practically destroyed it. G502 Hero is top class esp when taking price into consideration.
I’ve owned a G500s G502 and 2 G502 hero in the past 10 years and just got a 502 Hero Lightspeed. God I love it
All are still working
Ah I’m facing the double-typing on mine now as well. Though I’ve convinced myself to turn it into a personal project instead. I want to design a replacement PCB for G613 with MX switches.
I liked my G512 so much I bought a second one to use at work but both had issues with keycaps breaking and LEDs dying. And the middle scroll on both my G403 mice had issues after a few months of use.
I’ve had to stop buying Logitech stuff, though I’ve still got a set of Z207 speakers that I like. Now I have a real mechanical keyboard that I can repair and a couple Glorious mice which are mostly okay.
I miss the days of the Logitech MX518 mouse. I had one that I probably used for like 5-6+ years, maybe longer. Solid mouse, no bullshit, indestructible.
My right-out-of-warranty Logitech M590 mouse lost its pairing to its USB-receiver upon booting up Windows after using the mouse in Linux for weeks out-of-warranty. I bought another one, and that too did the same the first time I booted up Windows after the warranty had expired.
Finally I searched the issue, and it’s normal. I had to install a non-default Logitech software in Windows and re-pair the apparently broken mice to their receivers. Both mice work again, except the older one’s left button is acting up a bit.
A non-asshole company would have notified me “Your mouse receiver needs an update that requires re-pairing the connection manually. Do you want to continue the update?”. And why the hell would a mouse receiver need an update when the warranty ends?
Obviously the purpose is to make the mouse appear broken with plausible deniability and bluff the customer into buying a new mouse.
This is known as programmed obsolescence.
I’ve been using many low to mid tier Logitech mice without your issue, multiple years. I currently have 2 different ones m705 & g903 lightspeed and they have been fine for 3-4 years
which is insane; mice have mechanical parts! they physically wear out!
Technically this is true. Practically my intellimouse 1.0, and sidewinder x8 still work perfectly.
ive had Logitech mice wear out, though not from office use.
Yeah logitech I can see.
I literally only use hardware saved profiles to avoid loading their shitty software 24/7
Wish that was an option on the Mx ergo
https://github.com/PixlOne/logiops
this works way better than the official thing.
Agreed, MX master plus logiops is gold on linux, 6+ years on my 2 (bit ugly now but still works great) and now a 3, no complaints.
As a peripherals enthusiasts (i own a dozen keyboards about 50 mice and have used about two dozen different audio solutions), they’re hardware sucks ass, the only mouse they have that’s kind of worth getting is the gpx (which is hella overpriced), they have no good keyboards or headsets/headphones, their mics and webcams are painfully mediocre
Today’s Logitech sucks. A decade ago they were the best in the mouse game.
Honestly their mice were pretty good even 3 years ago, it’s just that advancements have happened so fast and logitech has completely neglected to try
I don’t need advancements. I need a new mouse to track as well as a 10 year old mouse and register a single click when I click.
I wouldn’t even need a new mouse but 10 years ago both Logitech and MS put soft touch coating on their mouses which turns to glue as it ages.
Maybe a G305?
May may i interest you in a pulsar x2?
OG G9x crew checking in!
The old G502s have treated me well. I bought several on sale many years ago so I’d have a lifetime supply just to avoid the inevitable downward spiral in quality.
Let’s hope that my mx master lasts then. It’s really comfortable in my hands and since I have arthritis that’s not just a nice to have. Other mice actually hurt my hands.
I hope my 10yo MMO mouse will last until i have a damn brain implant to replace it XD
Is it that wow mouse with like a whole 10-key on its side?
The model is called a redragon M901. The only issues i have with it is that the software stopped working years ago so i can’t change the key bindings but i already have the presets i want so i’m fine and the left click broke off and is now held with electrical tape but works perfectly well.
Edit: i saw they still sell that mouse but the new model so i’ll give it a shot!
So who makes a decent mouse now? I desperately want a halfway decent one but can’t quite afford german engineering 😉
How do your hold your mouse?
What is your budget?
Do you prefer ambi or ergo?
What is the distance between your middle finger and the base of your hand and the distance between the tip of your thumb and the tip of your pinkie when your hand is open and relaxed
Thumb on the right (right hand), pinky and ring finger on the other side first and middle finger for the buttons.
I can’t really justify more than $200 but less would be nice.
Ergo I think, logitech and the Razer’s that look like them tend to fit my hands nicely. I’m using a G1 superlight right now and it’s a bit small to be comfortable.
7.75 inches from base to the tip of my middle finger. Pinky to thumb, relaxed but not pressed flat is almost exactly 6 inches.
I’m leaning towards a Logitech MX Master 3S, but I’d love to try something else. Thanks for the detailed questions. I’m looking forward to your suggestion. 
I would recommend the razer deathadder v3 both the wired and wireless versions are great, in my opinion the logitech mx mice are decent mice if rather heavy
Thanks. I’ll give them another look. I can’t remember why I got salty on them… something with the driver needing to be online? But yeah, perfect shape :-)
It’s that aluminum scroll wheel, the original fidget spinner ;-)
I’m happy with Cooler Master MM720.
Thanks, I’m looking at it now. I was a big fan of their cases back in the day, when it was basically just them and Lin Li making aluminum PCs :-)
The shape might feel weird when you look at it but the groove for ring finger is a game changer. Comfy af.
Doesn’t hurt that Amazon has it on sale for $45 either. You ever finis a session an have hexigons printed into you palm? Definitely not a dealbreaker…Maybe it’ll break my death-grip habit :-)
I have a Zone Vibe 100 headset and I like it. I don’t use the mic so I can’t speak to that, but it seems pretty solid to me.
Their “Onboard memory manager” software for their mouses is actually pretty good. It’s only 10MB in size and doesn’t require any installation. The only downside is that I had to “enable” the onboard memory of my mouse by first installing their usual crap software.
I’ve never understood that. What’s the benefit? Is it for switching between multiple computers and not losing your settings?
Yes. And I think some high end mouses can store multiple preset settings in memory to switch on the fly without requiring any software. Moreover, there are some scenarios in which you can’t install any software, in an office-issued computer or in a eSports tournament computer.
Disco. Thanks for clarifying.
I too had to resort to that.
Logitech hardware used to be good, but even that’s gone to shit. Got tired of their awful mechanical mice switches failing and switched to a Razer mouse with optical switches, no regrets.
Razer might actually fit better in this meme.
Has razer hardware gotten better? I stopped buying after 2 of their mice stopped working just after the warranty expired.
Razer hardware is pretty good, but the death adder definitely has a shelf life. The scroll wheel goes soft and the click switches go bad but that’s fixable.
The software is hot steaming dogshit. No other description fits. It’ll work fine for a few months or a year but then it starts crashing regularly for no reason. I tried a firmware update on my black widow 2012 and it bricked it. While searching for help, I discovered it was A KNOWN ISSUE THAT HADN’T BEEN FIXED IN 2 YEARS. They jerked me around about the warranty and I raised enough hell that they RMAd it with a newer black widow. I bought the 2012 edition purposely because it was blue and the new one was green so I was miffed about that, but it’s held up and is still my current emergency backup keyboard. It can deal with generic drivers though. Synapse will never touch my pc while I’m alive and I’m never giving razer another cent.
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Not sure recently, had the same issue and busted 2 deathadders within 12 months of purchase. The clicker had a little stem to push the switch which cracked off. Ended up getting a zowie next and haven’t had any issues.
I am really enjoying my naga pro have had no issues with it.
OG razer deathadders lasted forever had one and it never failed me, I made an investment to get the deathadder v3 pro and I love the thing, I’m hopping it lasts as long.
Every Logitech mouse I’ve owned has failed mechanically.
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Seems like they either have inconsistent quality or it went down over time. My 6-7 years old g502 is from a mechanical standpoint in perfect shape, I’ve just worn out the rubber sides and had to replace its feet once. I’d even say it’s seeing fairly heavy use considering I use it for both work and gaming.
The volume of Deathadder mice my brothers, I and our friends went through when younger due to double clicks and scroll wheel issues was absurd.
I’ve had my Superlight since their release, used every day for work and many nights gaming. No issues so far.
I wrote them off after the middle click button failed on me on two separate Logitech mice (a G502 and G602). I’ve had better luck with cheap generic chinese gaming mice, so that’s what I use now.
Ugh, my 602 middle click is starting to go out at work. I have a 604 at home and it’s just not the same
Are there any hardware manufacturers who write good software?
It depends what you call good, but Apple software is usually good, if you agree with their overall approach and philosophy of walled garden.
People always say this but I find their software really annoying to use.
Which is their philosophy that you have problems with.
The Apple mouse is one of the most infuriating pieces of technology I have ever used.
You’re referring to hardware here.
In terms of hardware: The Apple trackpad is fucking amazing. The Apple Magic Mouse is just fucked.
I haven’t used any Logitech gear in a few years, so things may have changed, but after running iCUE…Logitech can’t possibly be that bad, right?
Logitech’s software is at least better than Razer’s. Although it’s not a high bar.
Razer angers me. I have a keyboard i bought in 2013 that has features like programmable keys and macros locked behind an online service i refuse to sign up for. Ridiculous. I don’t get to use the things i bought it for. To its credit it though the hardware is solid, and my keyboard refuses to die so i still have it, the perfectly working and unworn keycaps mocking my cheap nature who refuses to spend money when my current keyboard works.
At this rate ill have to gift it to my nephew when he gets old enough for me to finally have an excuse to get a new one. Goddamnit Razer
iCUE would stop my webpages from loading for the longest time, and i had no idea why. I tried so many other things and never even considered iCUE to be the culprit of my extremely slow web surfing.
it wasn’t until a friend suggested I delete iCUE that my computer began running like brand new… it was literally a night and day experience. there’s no point to my story, other than echoing how horrible iCUE is
VKB. Their configuration software is intimidating at first glance (and you better RTFM!), but it’s super powerful and allows you to change and tune absolutely everything. Plus the settings are stored in the device so you only need to run the configurator when you want to change something. This is what you get when engineers run the company, not marketing, and they respect the end user’s intelligence.
I know some of their hardware also sucks for the people saying that. I’ve had a share of crappy logitech stuff that kind of pissed me off. But, I love my MX master 3. I use it for work, it is so fun to wind your finger up and scroll downward on whatever long winded scroll able item you may happen upon. I had it for 2.5 years, it’s still trucking, I feel like I only charged it 4 times. It’s truly awesome.
I mostly love mine.
I hate that I had to get IT to download special logitech software to my workstation so I could make the horizontal scroll not be backwards.
Nah bro. This is Corsair.
I literally got rid of a fucking awesome Corsair mouse because the software was such utter dogshit. It would straight up crash during games. And my wife had exactly the same problems on her PC, so it wasn’t anything unique to my set up. My mouse was wireless, hers was wired, both absolutely sucked. The hardware was great, but the software absolutely ruined them.
Logitech software is fine. Not perfect, but it absolutely does the job.
Both suck.
Had TWO G413 keyboard where the E-key just stopped registering keypresses sometimes. Third one got the same issue on left ctrl… returned and got a custom keyboard lmao.
I also had a G Pro X Superlight whatever and it took only 4 months to develop double clicking and super weird tracking issues like stuttery cursor movement and sometimes just stopping to work unless I restarted or re-plugged the mouse. Recently got a Lamzu Thorn. Easily the best mouse I have ever had, can recommend over Logitech’s garbage
you didnt consider swapping out the g pro superlight pcb to a hotswap board? the mouse is popular enough that the pcb actually exists in the aftermarket for it.
nah I had still warranty left, just sold the one I got back from RMA. Done govong Logitech my moneyy, I got a much better mouse now :)
