Practically speaking, I already do: I told them not to contact me on my cell if they aren’t going to give me a work phone or reimburse me for the cost of a plan then I will not be using my personal phone for work purposes. They can reach me during business hours on my desktop phone, the work messaging system, or a ticket. If anything happens outside of those hours and they want me to do something about it, they better pony up for a plan, overtime hours, or flex hours.
Firing me seems highly unlikely because they agreed to these terms, I am very good at what I do, and they love me. Actual legal protections sound like something everyone should have though, if you’re on call you damn well better get paid for it or it’s wage theft pure and simple.
Hell I don’t even check my work phone outside work hours. I’ll answer when I’m being paid to
It blows my mind that more people aren’t like you and I. I’m sure there’s a reason (besides fear?) but I haven’t figured it out. I answer the phone after hours if I’m on call. Otherwise, talk to you in the morning folks!
When I worked Ina warehouse/yard we’d regularly need to text each other in our off hours for very simple “hey where did you put x” or similar because management couldn’t be fucked to help us organize efficiently
I’ll help out a fellow wage slave if me taking 15s to reply would save them a few minutes of hassle
But I’ve only ever done that at non-corporate places where I actually like the co-workers on my pay level, the corporate jobs provided communication software and that shit was programmed to be muted the minute I was off automatically
Oh for sure. I will always answer if it’s a co-worker because we’re a team and we help each other. Just not for the boss. Fortunately it’s rarely been an issue, I’ve been lucky to have mostly decent bosses in my career.
Bootlicker culture rooted in how we were educated it takes some economic security and pair of balls to undo the conditioning but most people chose to be bootlickers 🤡
I wouldn’t call it bootlicking as much as, some people are absolutely terrified at the prospect of having to find a new job and will do anything they are told at work in order to avoid that. That’s the best I’ve been able to come up with after watching this play out over and over at places I’ve worked.
I’m more of a “Nah, that doesn’t work for me, cya” kinda guy.
Oh yeah it’s totally bootlicker culture to not lose your job which pays for the roof over your head and your food. /s
Like seriously? Where the fuck is that a choice??
I guess I’m really lucky to have this right. Every day after my 8 hours are done, I have my slack notifications automatically muted and I fully shut down my work laptop. My boss knows if she really needs me, she’ll have to call my cell, and she has never once done that. There’s nothing quite like a little bit of mutual respect.
Setting boundaries is important sad reality most people ain’t got the balls for it
In my case it kind of comes with the job. Anyone who works “in the cloud” and/or with web apps / servers and/or database servers knows what I mean. We do our best to minimize issues and keep things running smoothly during off hours. But of course, complex systems can and do break for myriad reasons. Sometimes we overlooked something. Or sometimes there’s an event beyond our control (ClownStrike, anyone? AWS outages, anyone?).
So, for emergencies / unforeseen problems I expect it to happen and don’t mind pitching in to help.
But my boss is also a workaholic who works almost every single weekend. He’s bad about texting or emailing us at weird hours and it’s annoying. Even if he doesn’t expect us to do anything right then, it still causes a mild panic when the phone lights up. And then you’re thinking about work shit when you shouldn’t have to.
One of the other managers where I work does a cool thing where he’ll put a “delay send” on his off-hours emails so you don’t get them until the next business day. A real act of kindness and consideration on his part. Unusual for an American manager.
We are a specialized firm so literally nobody else can do what we do and we have to get called in when there is a problem. That said, in other orgs I ran or was in prior to this current one we had “on-call” and “escalation” schedules that guaranteed time off to anyone not on the schedule. If you needed to be brought in off schedule you would be compensated a bonus at 3x hourly (calculated as yearly salary ÷ 640) and be removed from your next schedule rotation. If this was a recurring issue with a particular employee’s skill set, redundancy was added to that position. It wasn’t a perfect system but at least there was an effort made.
What a great idea. We’re spread too thin and have very little overlap in our knowledge / coverage, unfortunately. Typical ‘skeleton crew’ shop, unfortunately.
Yes. This is how most shops are now, but it didn’t use to be that way. The tech industry has gone from trying to hire and hoard all qualified personnel in order to beat out the competition to trying to see how thin they can run and what is the bottom set of qualifications they can get away with before things start breaking down.
Sounds like good management. I’ve never worked in an IT shop that was run like that. Best I’ve ever seen was ‘free comp time’ if you had to pull an all-nighter or work on a weekend.
I have always worked with critical production environments where things have to stay up. It is not sustainable with a skeleton crew. Eventually it leads to service degradation or instability which is far more expensive than adding redundancy. Something bites management in the ass once or twice and they get the message.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that what management ultimately did was outsource the liability to cloud services like Azure and AWS.
have always worked with critical production environments where things have to stay up.
Me too, they just expected us to work 100 hours a week when something broke.
I’m 25 years into my career now and know enough these days to say “no” when they ask for unreasonable things like that. It can sit broken for all I care.
I am sorry my man. I am pushing 30 years on my career so I feel your pain. That’s bad management and basically our bread and butter these days. They paint themselves into a corner and then pray they can summon an elder god to save their hide.
It’s all good. It was only really that bad at one job, a long time ago. Now I am the one counseling my teammates for work life balance and not to let themselves be taken advantage of by the company!
Australia’s ‘right-to-disconnect’ law actually comes into effect on Monday :)
How did y’all manage to get that law in place… Based on juice media coverage of AU political scene about looks about as dystopian corpo parasite regime as the US
Because we aren’t actually that similar? Not that I blame you, a bunch of my own countrypeople are convinced of the same thing. In my opinion, Australia is the example of what the US could be with actual election laws:
- We have Instant Runoff Voting (ranked choice). I’m in my late 20s and have never voted for a major party, without messing up my own future.
- We have mandatory voting. We can argue about whether that’s good or not, but the important outcome is that the government is obligated to make voting easy.
- We have a fully independent federal Electoral Commission. It is against the law to be influenced by a political bias in your job if you work there, or to be a current party member.
- When they redraw electorates, they must try to get them as close to a “0% swing” as they can, while following other rules around them being usual shapes.
- Electorates are redrawn when they hit a standard deviation from the mean population.
- Unions were never crushed in the same way here. They hold a decent amount of power in the political process, as the major left wing party gets the majority of their funding from union donations.
- We have strict campaign funding rules.
- The right-wing can’t even elect one party to government. They’re a permanent coalition between two right-wing parties. They are constantly infighting. When in Government, the larger party’s leader is Prime Minister, and the smaller party’s leader is Deputy Prime Minister, always playing second fiddle.
- We have elections of the full house and half the senate every three years. That means the entire senate are up for election every six years, instead of eight. We have 76 Senators across a much smaller population.
- Neither of the major parties has had a majority in the senate in over a decade. The current government holds 25 seats while the crossbench is composed of 20 seats, including 11 Greens senators.
So yeah, our politicians do get up on their soapbox and bluster on a lot like your politicians. But the will of the people is much closer to reality here, and there are no undecided voters. And when you threaten popular things like universal healthcare, or ignore 65% of the population approving of gay marriage, you tend to lose elections. Hell, our right wing party tried some of the transphobic rhetoric at the last election and they’re now in Opposition…
I do want to strongly note, that my country is FAR from perfect. Even the US has treaties with it’s indigenous populations, which enjoy some level of self-government. Australia still does not. Progress slows down here, and it takes steps backwards at times. However, we aren’t exactly goose-stepping our way back to the 1950s like y’all are.
How are they contacting anybody in the first place, breaking into their homes? Check work messages when you go to work.
Idiots Installing work email and IM okntheir personal devices.
I refuse to do this then some bootlicker: ohh you don’t have slack on your phone 🤡
