• Count Regal Inkwell@pawb.social
    382·
    2 days ago

    Let’s be honest here

    I like Linux as much as the next guy

    … But a violent kick to the 'nards is still more pleasant than Windows 11, so this is a “Luigi Wins By Doing Absolutely Nothing” scenario.

    • Psythik@lemmy.world
      41·
      2 days ago

      I like Windows 11. It has the best HDR support of any OS, bar none. AutoHDR is a godsend.

      My only complaint is about the taskbar, which I fixed by installing StartAllBack.

  • thingsiplay@beehaw.org
    276·
    3 days ago

    I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux,” and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.

    Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

    – Richard Stallman

    • CHKMRK@programming.devEnglish
      9·
      3 days ago

      I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, systemd/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, systemd plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning systemd system made useful by the systemd corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the systemd system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of systemd which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the systemd system, developed by the systemd developers. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the systemd operating system: the whole system is basically systemd with Linux added, or systemd/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of systemd/Linux.

    • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      1·
      1 day ago

      No, Richard, it’s ‘Linux’, not ‘GNU/Linux’. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

      Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

      One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS – more on this later). He named it ‘Linux’ with a little help from his friends. Why doesn’t he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff – including the software I wrote using GCC – and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don’t want to be known as a nag, do you?

      (An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title ‘GNU/Linux’ (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

      Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn’t the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you’ve heard this one before. Get used to it. You’ll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

      You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn’t more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn’t perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

      Last, I’d like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn’t be fighting among ourselves over naming other people’s software. But what the heck, I’m in a bad mood now. I think I’m feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn’t you and everyone refer to GCC as ‘the Linux compiler’? Or at least, ‘Linux GCC’? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

      If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:

      Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux’ huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don’t be a nag.

      Thanks for listening.

      • Linus Torvalds
  • golden_zealot@lemmy.mlEnglish
    16·
    2 days ago

    Off only the top of my head.

    -Potentially faster installation

    -Free

    -More control

    -Many distributions from LinuxFromScratch to Mint, making it meet the interests of nearly every demographic

    -Wonderful sense of community

    -No spying

    -No bloatware depending on distro

    -No ads

    -Many window managers supporting different workflows

    -Incredible command line power

    -Easy installation of software with package managers

    -Less malware

    -Fully customizeable ux/ui

    -Can uninstall anything you don’t want

    -Will help you learn how a computer works at a deeper level if you want to

    • deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz
      4·
      2 days ago

      Potentially faster installation

      Particularly when you’re flashing the ISO you downloaded from MS to USB and it doesn’t work unless you use MS’s magic tool. Thus dropping you into the bootstrap paradox.

      Especially because it gets partway through the install before failing to load NVMe drivers complaining there is no installation media to load them from.

      It turns out it’s faster to install Ubuntu and download one of MS’s windows VM’s and use that to download and flash a USB than actually install Windows 11.

      • T4V0@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 day ago

        While installing Linux is faster you can use the Windows ISO directly with Ventoy instead of the Microsoft tool. At least, that’s how I do it.

    • rhabarba@feddit.org
      2·
      1 day ago

      -No spying

      depending on the distro

      -No ads

      depending on the distro

      -Can uninstall anything you don’t want

      How can you uninstall systemd?

      • golden_zealot@lemmy.mlEnglish
        7·
        1 day ago

        It will differ by distro, but generally for debian, you begin uninstalling systemd by installing something else like SysV init:

        apt install sysvinit-core sysvinit-utils
cp /usr/share/sysvinit/inittab /etc/inittab

        Then you will need to configure grub by editing /etc/default/grub changing:

        GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="init=/bin/systemd console=hvc0 console=ttyS0"

        to

        GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="init=/lib/sysvinit/init console=hvc0 console=ttyS0"

        and then executing update-grub as root.

        Then you can reboot so that the system boots off of sysvinit instead and then purge systemd with apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd. This also removes packages that depend on systemd.

        Then you pin systemd packages to prevent apt from installing systemd or systemd-like packages in the future.

        echo -e 'Package: systemd\nPin: release *\nPin-Priority: -1' > /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd
echo -e '\n\nPackage: *systemd*\nPin: release *\nPin-Priority: -1' >> /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd

        Depending on if the distro is multiarch, you might also need:

        echo -e '\nPackage: systemd:amd64\nPin: release *\nPin-Priority: -1' >> /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd
echo -e '\nPackage: systemd:i386\nPin: release *\nPin-Priority: -1' >> /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd

        This information was sourced from this wiki dedicated specifically to removing systemd on multiple distributions and replacing it with something else:

        https://without-systemd.org/wiki/index_php/Main_Page/

        • rhabarba@feddit.org
          5·
          1 day ago

          Wow. Honestly, thank you! I had entirely forgot that this wiki even exists. I’ve bookmarked your reply. :-)

          • golden_zealot@lemmy.mlEnglish
            4·
            1 day ago

            Of course, no worries. I seemed to recall there was something out there for this because I read some article a while back that was discussing the scope-creep in systemd, and the problems that result from it. I think I found this wiki originally at that time.

    • God_Damn@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      1 day ago

      -Potentially faster installation

      Installed CachyOs yesterday that must have been the longest install I have been through. I’m liking it so far though.

    • Kiuyn@lemmy.ml
      414·
      3 days ago

      A lot of people seem to argue about ricing and the “original” meaning of it. But honestly as an Asian I don’t really think any Asian(at least in my country) actually care or even know the meaning of it. The ricing term of the Linux community is far from racism. What so wrong with rice? cuz we love it? I honestly don’t get it.

      • buwho@lemmy.mlEnglish
        263·
        3 days ago

        im asian, i like rice. i like linux. im not offended.

      • Capsicones@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        1215·
        3 days ago

        It is clearly racist. “Ricing” comes from a derogatory term for Asian racing vehicles. You cannot excuse the racism inherent to it by personal ignorance. It’s the same logic as black face being racist, whether you’re personally aware of the history behind it or not.

        Though I no longer live in the US, as an Asian computer scientist, I am quite aware of how it is clearly perceived as a racist term by many Asian Americans. To me, it will also never stop being offensive. So, please, stop with this “ricing” stuff.

        • Kiuyn@lemmy.ml
          16·
          2 days ago

          So it is an American thing then? I feel sorry for you to experience that. But I personally never see anyone even use it in a racism way. Probably because of my own ignorance like you said. The internet is open tho. It is not just for US culture/culture issue. So honestly for the rest of the world, I do not think it is an issue at all. Maybe we can try to resolve it in some way? Idk

          • Capsicones@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            23·
            2 days ago

            The term “rice burner” originated in the Anglo-American context, and the word “ricing” cannot be divorced from the way people use “rice” as a versatile and generic racial epithet in varied context outside of the software world. As in people going, “haha, rice” something when being racist against Asians. It’s a long and ignominious American tradition to demean racial minorities with food. As in insulting Mexicans with “bean”. Anecdotally, some older Italians still remember being made to feel bad for eating pasta, when Italians weren’t white yet. The term “ricing” will certainly remain racist due to the way anti-Asian racism continues to work. Hence my point that the term must be abandoned, if one wishes to not be racist. Just find a different word for it. it ain’t that hard. It is certainly not possible to use an American word with racist origins without divorcing it from the cultural context from which it came.

        • TerraRoot@sh.itjust.works
          154·
          3 days ago

          I think the important bit people miss here is “was”, language changes, it was an insult, now it just means adding shiny stuff to your desktop.

          • underscores@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            61·
            2 days ago

            Plenty of people still know or use the other meanings, and it’s still based on common stereotypes. Reclaiming slurs only really works when it’s done by the targeted group, and when the word is being used with positive connotations.

          • Jumuta@sh.itjust.works
            4·
            2 days ago

            I think the modern usage also has the nuance of fragility and temporality.

            You wouldn’t call a polished and extremely stable customisation a ‘rice’, you’d probably call it a theme

      • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
        61·
        3 days ago

        OK, I have to save this for the next time I see this shit again.

    • trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      94·
      2 days ago

      Mental Outlaw is a reich-wing freak, so that’s par for the course. Unfortunately, there are a fair amount of these shitheads in the Linux YouTube space.

      • Jumuta@sh.itjust.works
        52·
        2 days ago

        he definitely leans right but he still supports foss and all the important stuff around that so does it actually matter much as a Linux YouTuber?

        also his level of schizo is pretty funny

        • CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.eeEnglish
          34·
          2 days ago

          We have seen where just not caring about someone being the right wing nut job has led. Are we really going to keep using that excuse?

      • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        2 days ago

        Aw, that sucks that they’re infesting Linux, too. I thought that free/open source would be too commie-socialist for them.

        • shirro@aussie.zoneEnglish
          3·
          2 days ago

          What is socialist to Linus is libertarian to Eric Raymond. In huge collaborative communities people need to learn to get along and be tolerant but if they can’t handle that they also have the freedom to fork so there is room for everyone to find their own space.