Democracy is at stake.
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The election in November is the most important election in the modern history of this country. Democracy is at stake.

I’ve seen much ado about what happens if Trump wins, and those points are especially valid. But at the same time, I don’t know if I can accept that you can brazenly fund and support genocide and receive my vote.

If you don’t believe there is a genocide in Gaza then good for you. This post isnt meant for you and I’m not interested in debating that point today.

Similarly, at least for myself, the answer of “what happens if Trump becomes president” isn’t the point here. I’m not saying that I’m not considering the impact of a Trump presidency, but i think it’s really important to answer what the world would look like after four more years of Biden.

  1. What happens in Gaza when Biden gets another term? He has lately taken some, IMO, token efforts to curb the genocide. But this is the best he’s done, and only after voter pressure. What happens when he’s no longer subject to pressure from voters like that? I cannot see it getting better.

  2. In the linked video, Burnie talks about workers rights, and I agree again that Trump would be worse. But Biden isn’t a progressive icon. Practically speaking, if he gets another term, I simply don’t see him moving the needle whatsoever on the rights and lives of small workers. I concede that he showed up to a UAW strike, but that cost him nothing. When the rail workers were striking, and his support would have actually taken literally any sacrifice, Biden chose to end it through legislative action.

  3. The environment was the thing in Burnie’s video which actually has me reconsidering. But I just can’t see Biden meaningfully curbing emissions. Not domestically, nor globally at the expense of diplomatic capital. It would be different here if I thought there was meaningful down ballot optimism. But, IMO, were going to lose the Senate and won’t reclaim the House. So if Biden gets his second term, he’s not going to have the power to take action on the environment. And so again I’d ask, what really happens if he gets to a second term? Another 4 years of inaction is too late. And worse, I wonder if he’s going to damage the democratic party while in office bad enough we’ll never have the chance again.

  4. It’s going to come up, and I’m not opposed to considering novel opinions here. A vote for a 3rd party is a vote for the opponent. Everyone says this. I simply do not buy it. Trump says it. Biden says it. Does that mean I’m voting for both of them? Are they lying? Because right now what I see is a vote for either of them is a vote in support of genocide.

  • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
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    4 months ago

    It’s worse than that. I have no idea why it’s apparently important enough to me for me to want to investigate as much as I have, but just from the last few days:

    • Here, I ask one of them what he thinks about a topic not connected to the election and he angrily refuses to answer because I must be trying to trick him or something.
    • Here one of them lapses into total nonsense when forced to go beyond his talking points; he says that Biden wasn’t trying hard enough to make change, and when I point out concrete ways that Biden actually enacted what he was talking about and was sometimes overruled on it, he said that Biden could have ignored the Supreme Court’s cancellation of his order because it “doesn’t have an enforcement arm”.

    I have a bunch more examples. But generally they are articulate and on-the-surface sensible when spouting one of a handful of talking points in a variety of different contexts and with different decoration around them, but anything outside that, they react like no human being I’ve ever had a conversation with.

    • Hypx@fedia.io
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      4 months ago

      Which is why many of them probably aren’t. They’re agitators from outside the US. At best, very poorly informed people from other countries with some obsession with US politics. At worst, people intending to spread misinformation.