So with the recent Bing situation I wanted to take a second look on private search engines and sharing my conclusions of each search engine. Here is my list of private search engines:
I really like Duckduckgo, it has all important tools, decent result quality and a great image search function. Instant answers is very useful. My main problems are the reliance on Bing as the index and the choice of Apple Maps as mapping solution. Apart from the situation with the browser and Microsoft tracking Duckduckgo has a pretty clear record and the privacy.
Startpage is another great option. Apart from mapping everything is there and, while not as good as Duckduckgo’s, the image search engine good. The results are based on google and on par to better than those of DDG. The main advantages over DDG are European base (Netherlands) and the anonymous view, which basically functions as a quick access VPN, but sadly breaks ad/tracker blockers. Privacy for regular search is equal to DDG, but you have to disable JS to get rid of some telemetry. It is owned by an advertising company
Swisscows is okay. It is also Bing based, but slightly worse than DDG results. It lacks image search filters and mapping, but offers a music search which allows you to listen to ad free music. It also has an anonymous view, but it’s not interactive. Privacy is similar to DDG, but has more telemetry and (temporally) stores your IP. It is from Switzerland, it also has a very strict anti gore/porn policy that sometimes makes normal search terms inaccessible.
Qwant used to be very solid French search engine, has dropped in quality. Similar search quality to DDG, image search like Startpage. They use Bing in combination with their own index. Then problems: They share your IP with Microsoft and they replaced their main advantage, openstreetmap based independent mapping service, with AI summary’s that require an account. Worse privacy than all the above.
Very similar to DDG. The main differences are that Ecosia is based in Germany, it plants trees to fight climate change, but also forwards your IP to MS.
Braves main advantages are being independent, both with the search and the AI, and the goggles that allow you to customize your results. Search results are slightly better than DDG, image search is bad, no mapping is available. Brave has had invaded privacy in the past, but currently the privacy is good as long as you disable statistics. The company itself is a bit concerning and the CEO is homophobic.
SearXNG is self hosted and open source, it uses various search engines as index and has a ton of extra feature like music search, fediverse search and a bunch more. While it has the most features and best privacy of all options, public instances are sometimes slow and the results aren’t really good.
Kagi is in principle a decent quality search engine, but it is paid and has some problems that are only getting worse. For those interested read this blogpost.
4get is a open source, self hostable search engine. It acts as a web scraper for various search engines, also supports Soundcloud. It has great privacy and good results, but it lacks mapping and the official instance requires a CAPTCHA per 100 searches
Yep is an independent search engine. It is private and has good results, but lacks image search tools, video search and mapping.
Decentralized independent search. It has good results but lacks image search tools, is sometimes unreliable and has intrusive advertising
A quick fire round of search engine that have decent privacy, but I wouldn’t use due to result quality:
Ekoru Like Ecosia, but for cleaning oceans, Bing based, few features, requires extension.
Whoggle Like SearXNG, but with less features.
Metager Meta search engine with multiple search back ends, mainly Bing (Yahoo), completely powered by renewable energy
Mojeek Independent UK search engine with few additional feature, is supposed to be unbiased
AstianGO Slightly modified version of LibreX by the Devs of the Midori Browser
Ghostery German independent search engine, regular web only, offers tracker analysis for websites
Stract Open source, self hostable, independent search engine
Lilo Like Ecosia, but with fewer features and the option to support various projects
YouCare Bing based search, shares your IP with MS, does “good deeds”, some missing features
Giburu Google based proxy search
Gigablast Open source, self hostable, independent search engine
Mwmbl Open source, independent, self hostable search engine. Only web results
Marginalia Open source, independent, self hostable search engine. Only web results, offers filters
That would be my list. I’ll still be sticking with Duckduckgo but I’d reconsider if Startpage improves it image search. Brave will probably never be my default, but it has proven it’s role as a more private backup. Comment if I missed any search engine
Search engines I didn’t include due to horrible privacy Bing/Google/Yandex/Yahoo/You/Baidu
Startpage recently started collecting browser/OS telemetry using JavaScript so if you want to use it you should disable JavaScript on their site
I would use kagi, but only if they supported monero payments.
I used to be a Kagi subscriber because I believed in their image for Orion. Their strong views on privacy, imo, directly conflict with their action to keep the product closed source “because it’d slow them down”, so I ended up unsubscribing. Good to see I unsubbed just in time.
There’s also 4get (metasearch engine; https://4get.ca is the developer’s instance).
What is this? This is a metasearch engine that gets results from other engines, and strips away all of the tracking parameters and Microsoft/globohomo bullshit they add. Most of the other alternatives to Google jack themselves off about being ““privacy respecting”” or whatever the fuck but it always turns out to be a total lie, and I just got fed up with their shit honestly. Alternatives like Searx or YaCy all fucking sucks so I made my own thing.
Looks promising. Do you know if 4get supports bangs (like in duckduckgo, for example
!nixpkgs lemmysearches for Lemmy on Nixpkgs’ website)They get points for the description, at least!
Doesn’t seem to.
didn’t know about this, I’ll definitely try it out
I stopped reading after Brave, as you chose to derail your product reviews to meddle in someone’s personal beliefs. Those two things have no correlation.
someone being a dickhead givs me the right to say im no t sure about their product, bc theyre a dickhead mrow. this is good journalism, as it shows not only where the product is, but where it may be going (and a link so u can see for urselfs). OP dids a very good job if u want me dead i havethe right to tell u to go fuck urself :3
Thank you for proving my point.
If someone using Brave gives him money and that money goes in to a homophobic lobby it would be better for consumers to know that so they can actually consent to that. Consumers deserve to make informed decisions about who to or who not to support.
Sure, consumers should make informed decisions. But this was a technical\feature review until OP brought in their personal feelings on someone’s personal beliefs. Once they did that, they no longer were doing technical review on search engines.
Maybe it wasn’t designed to be a purely technical review, then?
Brave is a series scam company. That’s perfectly technical in a privacy context. This post should be more clear about that, though.
Thanks a lot for the write up!
I mainly use Andisearch, maybe one of the most privacy protecting search engine with AI. It’s PP is pretty impressive
Thanks for the list!
One point I will add is that Startpage is actually owned by an American spamming company:
https://restoreprivacy.com/startpage-system1-privacy-one-group/
I used to use them a lot before the system1/Privacy One acquisition, but then decided to switch back to google (never liked DDG’s results, but might have to try them again).
Google is most definitely worse than system1/Privacy One.
Maybe, maybe not.
Google does have PR considerations to manage.
Not saying they are better, but it is one constraint on their behaviour that doesn’t apply to system1/privacy one.
The fact that they are not very open about the acquisition of Startpage also doesn’t inspire confidence.
This is a very comprehensive summary, thanks for the effort you clearly put in.
If I can make one correction, it would be to clarify that Ecosia is not really comparable to DuckDuckGo in terms of privacy. Not only does it log your IP address, but it also logs your search queries and forwards both of these to Microsoft and/or Google (depending on how you choose to search). Ecosia anonymises your IP address after a week, but for Microsoft that process takes 6 months and for Google it takes 9 months. In contrast, DuckDuckGo does not log your IP address and only collects anonymised search results, completely separated from any personal identifier. It does not forward this data to any third party. DuckDuckGo has also made privacy-guaranteeing agreements with Microsoft around ads (which are provided by Microsoft). Ecosia has not made similar agreements with Microsoft and Google from what I can tell.
So are there search engines that use open street maps?
I saw an extension the other day that let you choose which mapping service you want to use when clicking a link to a map. You could click on a Google Map link but have it open in OpenStreetMap. If I find it again I’ll update here
Edit: Found it, MapSwap
LibRedirect can redirect Google Maps links to OpenStreetMaps, too, among other functions.
Searx let’s you select OSM, as well as Photon and Apple Maps.
Oh yea that sounds nice. If you have experience, do you selfhost or use a public instance?
I use a public instance, usually one that allows ‘Show Advanced Settings’ on the results page
Does having Google as index puts the search engine inside a Google Bubble? Like if every anonymous queries made by that engine sent to Google makes a big profile used by Google to aim results or do they use some type of API avoiding this?
They use the search API and as I understand it they don’t make a profile for API calls (4get uses a web scraper, so probably different)
Ill check startpage out! Also an interesting blog post regarding kagi. Ive never used it in the past, but now i definitely wouldnt ever even consider it.
I find Startpage to have much better results than DDG
I set it as my default search engine on my mobile, and will check it out for some time before committing to all my devices
I wish it had instant answers feature like DDG and Brave search.
4get
requires a CAPTCHA per 100 searches
The software itself doesn’t require any Captcha, it’s just the specific instance you chose that has this requirement. There are many other instances (like e.g. 4get.ch) that don’t have a Captcha at all. You can find the entire instance list at https://4get.cynic.moe/instances. It also shows you whether an instance has the captcha enabled or not.
What about Mullvad Leta?
I have been really wanting to try out Ekoru but it just doesn’t work for me. When I search something with it it just gives me the search bar and menu at the top but it doesn’t actually show searchr results. I have tried it with VPN off, different DNS, non hardened stock Firefox, and still couldn’t get it to work. Can anyone else confirm if they can use Ekoru or not?
I have tried all the engines for this post and Ekoru has been working fine. I’m using the Firefox rpm on Fedora, slightly hardened, no VPN, Quad9. Make sure the Ekoru extension is up to date and has all the necessary permissions or alternatively try lilo
Yea I’ve tried it on Firefox flatpak for Linux and also Firefox on Windows, downloaded the extension from the official Firefox Addons, and nothing worked. Very strange. I probably won’t use it anyways as it seems very lacking and redirects you to Google and Microsoft for image and video searches which Ecosia doesn’t (it’s what I have been using for almost a year now). I just thought cleaning oceans was a better cause but oh well.
Lilo is more feature complete than Ekoru and allows you to choose a charity (including ocean cleaning), maybe check it out
How do you use this search engine? On Android it tells me to download an app from the playstore?
In the settings of your browser click add search engine, and the paste this link
