• ValorieAF [she/her]@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    So Trump gets elected, the genocide gets 10x worse, the right allows Israel to completely demolish Palastine and take their land.

    Kamala gets elected, genocide might continue for a while, but at least we have time and still have a democracy and the chance to vote in people who will condemn genocide.

    There is an effectively zero chance of any third party candidate winning the election, so if you care so much about genocide, throwing your vote away to third party where you would have otherwise voted for Kamala is essentially taking away a vote from Kamala and giving it to Trump, supporting even further genocide.

    Any questions?

    • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      So Trump gets elected, the genocide gets 10x worse

      Why would it get worse, materially, let alone 10 times? Harris has promised to never cease giving Israel bombs to “defend itself,” what’s Trump going to do to make it worse?

      Kamala gets elected, genocide might continue for a while, but at least we have time and still have a democracy and the chance to vote in people who will condemn genocide.

      Spoiler: there will not be that candidate. Next election in 4 years, if there are any Palestinians left, there will still be 2 Zionist candidates representing the DNC and GOP, and the anti-genocide candidates will be 3rd parties with little to no chance of winning.

      • ValorieAF [she/her]@lemmy.world
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        Why would it get worse, materially, let alone 10 times? Harris has promised to never cease giving Israel bombs to “defend itself,” what’s Trump going to do to make it worse?

        Because Republicans are entirely fans of Israel and would do anything to help them… This is common information, have you been living under a fucking rock? Republicans have repeatedly shown that they will help Israel.

        Spoiler: there will not be that candidate. Next election in 4 years, if there are any Palestinians left, there will still be 2 Zionist candidates representing the DNC and GOP, and the anti-genocide candidates will be 3rd parties with little to no chance of winning.

        Nobody knows that for sure. If people care about it, they will run for office. It sounds like you prioritize the presidential elections and ignore local elections, because those are what matter in getting “that candidate”.

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          Because Republicans are entirely fans of Israel and would do anything to help them

          As are the DNC, are you living under a rock?

          Nobody knows that for sure. If people care about it, they will run for office. It sounds like you prioritize the presidential elections and ignore local elections, because those are what matter in getting “that candidate”.

          Ah, the “vibe a candidate that can take the office from an incumbent out of thin-air” approach. And no, local elections are far more consequential, not sure where you think I suggested otherwise.

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        The third parties have 0 chance of winning. So which is better? Kamala, who might actually listen to the public, or Trump, who won’t listen and will do whatever he wants to Palestine?

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          Neither, both support the bipartisan US foreign policy of genocide. Harris will not “listen to the public,” she will listen to the fact that the US needs Israel to keep the Middle East tied up and secure the Petro-Dollar as the World’s Currency.

          Neither Trump nor Harris will cease the genocide.

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            Did I say that she would cease the genocide? Do you always just put words in other people’s mouths? That’s a poor strategy for getting people to listen to you.

            Palestine will continue to be genocided. Do you want the genocide to go faster (Trump) or stay at the same speed? If you want it to go faster, you can just say to vote for Trump (and a vote for a third party will give power to those voting for Trump, so the same result).

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              Palestine will continue to be genocided. Do you want the genocide to go faster (Trump) or stay at the same speed?

              How is Trump going to make it worse? This is a bipartisan genocide, is him being in office going to make the scheduled bomb shipments magically more powerful?

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                No, but he has full power to be able to alter the schedule to send more bombs. That’s the point that you can’t seem to realize - he hates Palestine and would love to get closer with the nationalists in Israel. He would do everything in his power to allow more and more shipments from our bottomless inventory of weaponry.

                Do you want the Zionists to be given bombs more often? Because voting for Trump or a third party will get you there.

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                  How will he do this, materially? Congress sets the shipments, is he going to personally buy more bombs and send them via UPS? Is his personal hatred going to magnify the power of the bombs sent? If Kamala cries while sending bombs, do they misfire more frequently?

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          Trump won’t do whatever. He has said in the debate that he will let Israel finish the job. That’s not ambiguous.