I think that would be not only appropriate but also helpful to frame Ukraine as “defending their land” instead of “being at war”. So why dont politicians and journalists primarily use this word?
We don’t know what an eventual outcome will be right now and it would be… weird to talk about help financing “defense” for years and then actually negotiate for concessions.
It’s an open secret that if all Russian nukes would disappear over night, the other members of the UN security council would probably party for a week. The US (and the EU) is supporting Ukraine because that’s the right thing to do AND it is in their interest because who knows what a bigger Russia will do next. But they’re also doing it because it’s weakening Russia and that’s also in their interest, even though they would never publicly say it or not with the intensity that they actually think that way.
Long story short, if the absolute optimal (for Ukraine and “the west”) thing happens:
- the war exhausts Russia more than Ukraine + supporters
- the timing for negotiations is chosen in a way that is extremely bad for Russia, to the effect that Russia doesn’t have to just apologize, return territory, pay reparations, and all that, but ALSO give up other things.
- like UN observers and limits to their military.
- nuclear disarmament
- ???
It would look extremely badly if politicians, actual leaders of nations, were to talk about “defense” for years and then actually ask those things in the end. Which they want to.
So (imo, it’s all speculation) it’s preemptive PR management that leaves room for that asking for more things than would be justifiable with “defense”.
For the same reason the media bastards avoid it for Israel, they get money from questionable people and click bait that only works with rage and appealing to the braindead morons that read the shit.
Israel: The best defense is a good genocide
Gtfoh all I hear is how “Israel has a right to defend itself” in defense of every war crime charge.
Israel is defending themselves so hard, they’re throwing Israeli soldiers over the Palestinian border to abuse and murder civilians, fuckin righteous
Yeah… Ukraine is also entering “Russia’s” territory and “abuses” “civilians” by killing Russian soldiers.
Soldiers are not civilians, and Russian state media are the only ones who report that Ukrainians have invaded the Russian border. Try again
No shit Sherlock. That might just be the point…
Palestinian border
The what?
It’s a good question.
I’d bet it’s less to do with the journalists than with the editors / owners.
Don’t know who you have in mind. But British BBC:
Feb 2022 “How hard will it be to defend Ukraine from Russian invasion?”
December 2023. “Ukraine will… strengthen its defences”
April 2024 - “Ukraine has been defending itself against Russia’s full-scale invasion for two years”
Same reason why journalists and politicians avoid using the word occupation when talking about Israel and Palestine. Interests or ideology
Because the media outlets are owned by corpofash
It also makes sense for good, honest journalists to use this language. Because they’re trying to be neutral and leaving the opinion forming up to the reader, as far as they can. They want to let the facts speak for themselves. Even if they’re pro Ukraine, they want the facts to convince you to be pro Ukraine, not their phrasing.
So, regardless of whether they’re rage baiting, paid off by Russia, or trying to do honest journalists, it always makes more sense to use neutral language rather than having a pro Ukraine bias.
Saying it is a defense against invaders is being neutral, because that is what is happening. Avoiding a direct statement is the opposite of letting the facts speak for themselves.
Not quite, because there’s also (justified) retaliation going on
That isn’t what retaliation means.
What does it mean? I’m not a native English speaker
If someone attacks you and you hit them back immediately you are defending yourself agsinst further violence. If they keep attacking you and.you fight back multiple times you are still defending yourself. In warfare that might involve attacking their supply lines and even entrering the territory of the invaders to get them to stop invading.
In warfare retaliation would be attacking them a few years after they stopped invading or attacking non-military targets to ‘even the score’ or something like that. Israel bombing schools and hospitals in response to Hamas attacks would be retaliation, because they aren’t just fighting back.
Ukraine hasn’t retaliated in any coverage that I have seen.
Now do Israel 🐸
cuz “defenfing”, by todays standards, means killing innocent civilians (mostly children), and is therefore already reserved for Israel.
