For over a month now, people with a disability have been unable to use NDIS funding for seeking sex worker services. Lived-experience advocates say it's a step backward.
Making people feel good is an actual outcome. In fact, it’s the only actual outcome.
Who cares about quarterly profits, and budget savings, and a strong economy, and anything else, if it doesn’t make people feel good? Our laws and our economy should be designed with the intention of having a society of people who are happy. If the system isn’t designed to increase happiness, then everything it accomplishes is pointless.
Everyone else who pays taxes towards a program like the NDIS is giving up a little of their own quality of life.
Hookers shouldn’t be getting NDIS funds paid to them when there are still people going without and this is part of balancing the budget to ensure the NDIS is sustainable.
You don’t apply this to aged care. You don’t apply this to military funsing. You don’t aplly this to schooling - i’ve no kids and am menopausal so why should i give a shit about giving up parts of myyyyy quality of life for your kids???
How exactly, does aged care benefit society in a way that providing the most basic of human comforts to people on NDIS does not? I’d love to hear your logic here.
Just tax billionaires more. It’s not that hard. Australia doesn’t have a budget problem, it has a not taxing billionaires problem. There’s no point trying to save money by taking shit away from disabled poor people. That’s pinching pennies while burning hundred bills.
So you’re celebrating a pointless penny pinching law legislating against people who already had their need validated in a court of law… Because that’s what other people think?
At an annual running cost of $35.8 billion in 2022-23, the federal government will spend more on the NDIS this financial year than Medicare ($30.8 billion), aged care ($27.7 billion), and support for state government hospitals ($27.3 billion).
Penny pinching on one of the least productive, most expensive government expenses! Crazy! I have no idea why they are so focused on it.
Okay now give the statistic for how much the hookers cost the taxpayer. You seem very confident that stopping the hookers will balance the budget, so you must have the figures to back your position up.
likewise, since you’re so certain it’s penny pinching feel free to post your numbers
i support all attempts to reduce the cost of this massively overbloated free money train
to quote the greens
Senator Jordon Steele-John, the Australian Greens spokesperson for Disability Rights and Services, has claimed that the reforms will result in the removal of crucial disability services, stating that ‘the Labor government is choosing to remove $14.4 billion in funding from the NDIS that will lead to disabled people not getting the support they need when they need it’.
Im not sure how $14.4 billion of tax payer money is penny pinching
Everyone else who pays taxes towards a program like the NDIS is giving up a little of their own quality of life.
This is such a myth. Look at how much you are taxed each year and then take out the percentage that is funding the NDIS. It will be fuck all, nowhere near enough to affect your quality of life.
Also acknowledges the fact that those at the bottom of this awful economic hierarchy miss out on some of the things that “regular” people take for granted. You know, the basic enjoyments that make life bearable so we don’t off ourselves. Everyone should consider themselves one accident away from being destitute if they don’t have family wealth. Then consider what your life could be like in that scenario. A car crash happens, and then you could spend the rest of your life never touching skin with another person.
I’m sorry that you have to pay 100% of your income
Hmmm looks like that’s an argument I never made, let’s check the definition of a straw man argument.
A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent’s argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent
Nothing about the straw man fallacy excludes hyperbole.
Under examples we can see
Exaggerating (sometimes grossly) an opponent’s argument, then attacking this exaggerated version.
Oh you thought I was talking about the very real possibility of someone wanting to commit suicide due to disability…. Tsk tsk.
As I said right from the outset, if there is no science to say that paying for hookers is a more effective use of money than other support methods then it shouldn’t be paid for by public funds.
You’re literally complaining how a tiny fraction of your tax that ends up in the NDIS might pay for fulfill the sexual needs of someone who otherwise wouldn’t have them fulfilled is lowering your quality of life.
You really don’t have the grounds to fling accusations of logical fallacies around here.
Let’s scrape all social benefits that have no benefit for every single person capitalists, things were better when industrialists worked kids starting age 7 60h week. If they want to go to school they have to earn it.
I see no evidence backed by actual science that allowing NDIS funded access to sex services improves outcomes for the community.
And I don’t just mean the disabled community but broader society, which is paying for the NDIS.
If this is about funding making a subset of people feel good and not about actual outcomes then I might as well ask for taxpayers to fund my holidays.
Biological imperatives are a thing.
It also has a significant emotional dimension, which I think goes undiscussed too often. And ties in with feelings of self worth.
Making people feel good is an actual outcome. In fact, it’s the only actual outcome.
Who cares about quarterly profits, and budget savings, and a strong economy, and anything else, if it doesn’t make people feel good? Our laws and our economy should be designed with the intention of having a society of people who are happy. If the system isn’t designed to increase happiness, then everything it accomplishes is pointless.
Everyone else who pays taxes towards a program like the NDIS is giving up a little of their own quality of life.
Hookers shouldn’t be getting NDIS funds paid to them when there are still people going without and this is part of balancing the budget to ensure the NDIS is sustainable.
Oh bullshit.
You don’t apply this to aged care. You don’t apply this to military funsing. You don’t aplly this to schooling - i’ve no kids and am menopausal so why should i give a shit about giving up parts of myyyyy quality of life for your kids???
Well i do because i’m not a fucking sociopath
Well that’s a lot of false equivalence going on, good luck with that.
False equivalence how.
These are all paid for by my tax.
Aged care, military and school funding all benefit society as a whole.
Paying for hookers does not benefit society as a whole and therefore it is not comparable, meaning you have made an argument of false equivalence.
How exactly, does aged care benefit society in a way that providing the most basic of human comforts to people on NDIS does not? I’d love to hear your logic here.
Aged care has economic benefits as fewer working age people are required to care for the elderly.
This is very basic stuff.
Blowjobs don’t contribute anything to the economy.
Just tax billionaires more. It’s not that hard. Australia doesn’t have a budget problem, it has a not taxing billionaires problem. There’s no point trying to save money by taking shit away from disabled poor people. That’s pinching pennies while burning hundred bills.
Every government that has tried to tax billionaires more has been voted out.
No government is going to win an election when smear campaigns can truthfully say the government is paying for hookers.
Welcome to reality.
So you’re celebrating a pointless penny pinching law legislating against people who already had their need validated in a court of law… Because that’s what other people think?
Get your own opinions.
No I’m against it because I don’t believe in paying for sex, that sex workers are predatory and undeserving of public funds.
I was pointing out the political reality of the situation because regardless of my personal opinion the outcome will be decided by the electorate.
Again, welcome to reality, sometimes life sucks and then you die.
Those predatory harlots, treating disabled people with respect and dignity on the government’s dime!
Really?
Penny pinching on one of the least productive, most expensive government expenses! Crazy! I have no idea why they are so focused on it.
Okay now give the statistic for how much the hookers cost the taxpayer. You seem very confident that stopping the hookers will balance the budget, so you must have the figures to back your position up.
likewise, since you’re so certain it’s penny pinching feel free to post your numbers
i support all attempts to reduce the cost of this massively overbloated free money train
to quote the greens
Senator Jordon Steele-John, the Australian Greens spokesperson for Disability Rights and Services, has claimed that the reforms will result in the removal of crucial disability services, stating that ‘the Labor government is choosing to remove $14.4 billion in funding from the NDIS that will lead to disabled people not getting the support they need when they need it’.
Im not sure how $14.4 billion of tax payer money is penny pinching
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/Budget/reviews/2024-25/NDIS
This is such a myth. Look at how much you are taxed each year and then take out the percentage that is funding the NDIS. It will be fuck all, nowhere near enough to affect your quality of life.
More of my tax is going to the NDIS than to Medicare.
I would rather funds be spent on Medicare than hookers but you do you.
Also acknowledges the fact that those at the bottom of this awful economic hierarchy miss out on some of the things that “regular” people take for granted. You know, the basic enjoyments that make life bearable so we don’t off ourselves. Everyone should consider themselves one accident away from being destitute if they don’t have family wealth. Then consider what your life could be like in that scenario. A car crash happens, and then you could spend the rest of your life never touching skin with another person.
disabled people have sexual needs as well jsyk. You may not like it, but they do.
And I have a need for some rest and relaxation from the daily grind. I would rather spend my money on myself than on hookers for someone else.
Weird I know.
That tax money is gone regardless. Denying people comfort won’t give it back to you.
Taxes can be lowered if the government isn’t wasting money.
oh wow. Been a while since I’ve seen this level of naivete
The Albanese government has delivered a tax cut to all Australians, and stopped spending money on sex workers through the NDIS.
You seem very uninformed.
For many people being disabled is a daily grind. Add poverty to that. They don’t get a holiday from it.
I’m sorry that you have to pay 100% of your income in taxes just for some dude to get a blow job every other year so he doesn’t kill himself.
That sucks fam.
It’s alright, the government agrees with me.
No more blowjobs on NDIS dollars.
Guess your strawman will be offing itself soon.
Lol, because that’s the arbiter of truth amirite?
Now they’ll have more budget for their own escorts.
Not what a strawman is, btw, but don’t worry your pretty little head about it.
Hmmm looks like that’s an argument I never made, let’s check the definition of a straw man argument.
Nothing about the straw man fallacy excludes hyperbole.
Under examples we can see
Oh you thought I was talking about the very real possibility of someone wanting to commit suicide due to disability…. Tsk tsk.
As I said right from the outset, if there is no science to say that paying for hookers is a more effective use of money than other support methods then it shouldn’t be paid for by public funds.
No evidence, no funds, Im a happy man.
Do try to keep up.
You’re literally complaining how a tiny fraction of your tax that ends up in the NDIS might pay for fulfill the sexual needs of someone who otherwise wouldn’t have them fulfilled is lowering your quality of life.
You really don’t have the grounds to fling accusations of logical fallacies around here.
You haven’t refuted my argument in the slightest.
Every cent I pay in taxes that are spent on something I don’t benefit from is literally money I no longer have to improve my own quality of life.
Lol, I love when clowns own themselves.
You’re amusing enough but I wouldn’t call you a clown.
So you don’t think there should be any disability funding?
Ah we found the Ayn Rand follower
Let’s scrape all social benefits that have no benefit for
every single personcapitalists, things were better when industrialists worked kids starting age 7 60h week. If they want to go to school they have to earn it./s