GrapheneOS is so great pixel devices, I hope you all try it! The private & secure mobile operating system with Android app compatibility. Developed as a non-profit & is free and open source software
- Permission toggles, pin scrambling, auto-reboot, scopes, MAC randomization, isolated user profiles, longer passwords, sandboxed apps, no bloat & increased battery life +more!
- Privacy, security & anonymity FOSS!
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Yes. The project seems to be in good hands while Micay is away. Regardless, the open nature of their work gives me additional confidence.
You can still like the project as a concept and not like the people in charge. Regardless, this is a good piece of media people should review when considering using the OS.
Sure but he is so toxic it has kept me away and probably others. I don’t want to be associated with a person like that.
Apparently according to others in the thread, he’s since stepped down
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Associated with him? by just using software?
Stop exaggerating
Some people aren’t comfortable running an OS on their phone that’s created by an absolute nut case, myself included. I just switch off Graphene back to LOS because of this shit
That makes much more sense
I actually used grapheneos for a few months this year but I switched back to stock android about a month ago for unrelated reasons. I may go back eventually but for now I’m good.
Most clickbait youtubers are spreading misrepresentations/fabrications about the GrapheneOS project and directing harassment towards our project members. Clickbait youtubers like Louis misrepresented certain private conversations he leaked, lied about what was said and the context in order to engage in severe bullying and harassment. He wasn’t spot on about what he said and it wasn’t honest. He had already engaged in cruel behavior in private for a year. Please read what we posted as a project and what Daniel posted. It does not say that he’s leaving the project. It says he’s stepping down from public and leadership roles due to harassment. It has been misinterpreted elsewhere. I don’t generally recommend getting content from these influencers/clickbait on YouTube, podcasts or elsewhere. It’s largely the equivalent of junk food or reality TV. There are a couple people making good videos about GrapheneOS like @sideofburritos . Most good content is written.
I don’t generally recommend getting content from these influencers/clickbait on YouTube, podcasts or elsewhere. It’s largely the equivalent of junk food or reality TV. There are a couple people making good videos about GrapheneOS like @sideofburritos . Most good content is written.
Most clickbait youtubers are spreading misrepresentations/fabrications about the GrapheneOS project and directing harassment towards our project members. Clickbait youtubers like Louis misrepresented certain private conversations he leaked, lied about what was said and the context in order to engage in severe bullying and harassment. He wasn’t spot on about what he said & it wasn’t honest. He had already engaged in cruel behavior in private for a year. Please read what we posted as a project and what Daniel posted. It does not say that he’s leaving the project. It says he’s stepping down from public and leadership roles due to harassment. It has been misinterpreted elsewhere. I don’t generally recommend getting content from these influencers/clickbait on YouTube, podcasts or elsewhere. It’s largely the equivalent of junk food or reality TV. There are a couple people making good videos about GrapheneOS like @sideofburritos . Most good content is written.
Your position doesn’t sit well with me because it ignores Daniel’s failures and enables his destructive behaviour. He had issues with Rust, there was the CopperheadOS implosion, and now another drama around GrapheneOS… too many “misinterpretations”. And if you keep finding yourself in dramas, then you’re either very unlucky or part of the problem.
Daniel seems to be very smart and capable when it comes to coding. He’s the person you want to create something like GrapheneOS. But the guy lacks “people skills”. He’s too confrontational and doesn’t always take criticism well. Then there’s the destructive and toxic behaviour… he lets some random internet comment take too much of his time and attention instead of ignoring and moving on. The “us vs them” mentality also creates a toxic environment. No person and no project is always right, but if you say the wrong thing or even make a positive comment about a different project, you’re automatically part of the “conspiracy”. This is not good and shouldn’t be encouraged.
Yes, clickbaiting YouTubers are a problem. Yes, Daniel Micay also seems to be a victim in this case. But some of the leaked communications look bad no matter if they are misrepresented or not. I don’t agree with everything Louis Rossmann says, but Daniel’s “you’re with me or against me” position is obviously bad and I don’t understand why would anyone defend that… GrapheneOS is not a cult!
Being good at one thing doesn’t makes us good at everything. Daniel is good at coding and dealing the technical things, so he should do that. He’s not good at dealing with people or being exposed to unfiltered feedback. He should be working behind the scenes, not doing PR work for GrapheneOS. His mental sanity, the project, and the community would benefit a lot if he had a better understanding of his limitations.
[Edit:] Just to add, I think GrapheneOS is indeed amazing. Daniel’s behaviour is not good though.
The permission toggle for sensors access is pretty cool. I have it toggled to off by default for every app I download. If it doesn’t work without my gyroscopic sensors then let it be, less spyware for me.
Edit: gyroscopic sensors can give lots of information, just the vibrations alone from a phone call and the gyro can pick up on that and work as a microhone. It can tell you about the way you hold the phone and certain habits that I’m sure a resourceful company can exploit very well. Here is an article talking about it from 2014, I am confident the technology has gone a long way since then.
https://www.engadget.com/2014-08-15-gyrophone-eavesdropping-hack.html
https://www.wired.com/2011/10/iphone-keylogger-spying/
https://www.fastcompany.com/1575213/cell-phone-tech-uses-accelerometer-spy-employees
I’m curious what apps require gyroscope access to work
Some camera apps require it for extra features like a leveling guide.
I don’t have a number but I do know that even in graphene, the default is set to on by default but you can change that in settings, or just change the permissions everytime you download a new app.
the hated one made a video about how they can be used as a low quality microphone
The only thing keeping me from switching to grapheneos is the inability to use Android auto. I use AA so frequently, that losing it would be a big hit. I really hope they find a way to get AA working, or if they come up with a doable workaround.
That’s a pretty big loss. Even with play services it doesn’t work?
AFAIK it does not. I’ve searched around and there does not seem to be a workaround.
Does it have a feature where you can feed fake GPS locations and contacts to apps that require those permissions to work? Loved that in some old Android ROMS
Fake GPS should be able to be done with any Android device through Developer Options as far as I’m aware and they recently (few weeks ago) implemented a Contact Scopes Feature that allows you to share only the contacts you want with the apps you want
I’m also a big fan of GrapheneOS which I’ve been using for over a year with not many issues. It feels nice to have a system with no bloat and decoupled from Google. Between F-Droid and the Aurora Store, I still haven’t installed Google Play Services or any other dependencies as I’ve never needed them.
There’s a couple of issues, but in the end they didn’t affect me too much:
- Many push notifications simply will not work as they rely on Google services, such as Discord. “Better” programs such as K-9 Mail and Element will work fine, however.
- If a program requires Google Play Services, such as the idle RPG “Melvor Idle”, it will simply not work. There aren’t that many of these though, so it’s not really something to worry about.
You can install Google Play Services however and have them sandboxed to work with specific applications, but I decided to just not bother.
If you’re curious, banking applications work fine on GrapheneOS, although perhaps it doesn’t work for all of them, but I have had no issues.
I ran GrapheneOS on a pixel 5 but ultimately went back to stock.
GrapheneOS was considerably slower on my phone. Apps took a bit longer to loader, but the worst was installing APKs, it takes so much longer compared to stock. Some apps (e.g. revolut) took more than 5 minutes to install, it was crazy.
GrapheneOS uses exec spawning by default, but it’s pretty trivial to disable and it does speed things up (at a slight cost to security).
I think using AOT rather than JIT compiling might be the cause of the slow installs, but I’m not sure (and I’ve not really noticed a problem myself).
GrapheneOS uses exec spawning by default, but it’s pretty trivial to disable and it does speed things up (at a slight cost to security).
Even with that option disabled the slow down was significant enough. Maybe the mid-range chip used in the Pixel 5 wasn’t helping, but still… Overall the phone felt significantly quicker when switching back to stock.
I think using AOT rather than JIT compiling might be the cause of the slow installs, but I’m not sure (and I’ve not really noticed a problem myself).
That’s it, I remember reading in their forums one of the mods(or devs?) mentioning this.
Exactly. This was always a trivial performance difference, but the toggle was added just to satisfy anyone who might hear such a statement and be unreasonably concerned.
This is nice.
But OnePlus mobiles are less expensive, and Graphene OS isn’t the most De-googled either. Although it can be made so
Isn’t it entirely degoogled by default?
Still connects to some Google domains
They have reduced AOSP connections to Google domains substantially in the last year. Many are now proxied through their own servers now.
So what is the most de-googled one?
/e/OS
Have they stopped using other people’s work without crediting them though?
I don’t really know. I’m just speaking factually; /e/OS is the most De-googled OOTB out of Lineage, /e/ and Graphene. But the other two can be De-googled as well, if you don’t want to tinker much. I would just Lineage and De-google it because it’s fun, but it’s up to each person
Does anyone know how it plays with work MAM policies and outlook/teams? That’s probably the loan consideration for me.
Google pixel is not available here and Graphene does not work on samsung :(
I will never be able to install it, but does it have 6x6 pattern lock?
pattern unlock are insecure af
please use pin or password insteadI use 6x6 pattern
Care to give any of us a link/workthrough on how to install it?
You can find that info on their website.
GrapheneOS has two officially supported installation methods. You can either use the WebUSB-based installer recommended for most users or the command-line installation guide aimed at more technical users.
Yeah you just plug your phone in and press the start button, a few instructions here and there and you’re basically finished
Thank you
https://grapheneos.org/install/ it is VERY easy.
AFAIK it does not. I’ve searched around and there does not seem to be a workaround.
for what?
