According to the language of the proposed bill, people who download AI models from China could face up to 20 years in jail, a million dollar fine, or both.
Didn’t I just read an article about Apple wanting to use it. It’s open source it can be forked and be American tomorrow. No matter how much Openai crys. This just shows the true lack of any knowledge on the subject. I’m not a fan of the Chinese government as much of the next guy. But the information is out there.
No a model is a model now if you are talking a chat bot or ai app yeah you need the data and that data changes all the time but if I have the model I can supply my own and get simalr results to their model if the data I need is the same. The code is right here https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3?tab=readme-ov-file I can get the models from https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3-Base and train them further and redistub that model legally. Per
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I meant the useable application as a for example chat bot.
The model itself is useful as far as it enables me to understand the underlying logic of the whole thing right? But without the data and I guess a training period with it I can’t use it if I understood it correctly.
If I am right with the above this wouldnt make it useful as in I can reproduce it as a functioning application and I wouldn’t call that opensourve in my understanding of the word.
I don’t know much as i ain’t knowledgeable in ML and LLM, but i downloaded deepseek R1 7B model (which probably is the weights and architecture) from huggingface and it worked with no “data”. So i can say it’s reproducible.
Now does that make it open source?
Didn’t I just read an article about Apple wanting to use it. It’s open source it can be forked and be American tomorrow. No matter how much Openai crys. This just shows the true lack of any knowledge on the subject. I’m not a fan of the Chinese government as much of the next guy. But the information is out there.
Perplexity already runs a US copy of it.
Exactly
Apple wants to use it in China
I can’t confirm if this is correct or not but another example is you can use deepseek in aws bedrock right now. So it’s makes the same point.
Honest Questions Can a model be open source? Dont we need the data it was trained on to truly be able to reproduce, understand and modify it?
No a model is a model now if you are talking a chat bot or ai app yeah you need the data and that data changes all the time but if I have the model I can supply my own and get simalr results to their model if the data I need is the same. The code is right here https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3?tab=readme-ov-file I can get the models from https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3-Base and train them further and redistub that model legally. Per
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Okay let’s talk terminology
I meant the useable application as a for example chat bot.
The model itself is useful as far as it enables me to understand the underlying logic of the whole thing right? But without the data and I guess a training period with it I can’t use it if I understood it correctly.
If I am right with the above this wouldnt make it useful as in I can reproduce it as a functioning application and I wouldn’t call that opensourve in my understanding of the word.
I don’t know much as i ain’t knowledgeable in ML and LLM, but i downloaded deepseek R1 7B model (which probably is the weights and architecture) from huggingface and it worked with no “data”. So i can say it’s reproducible. Now does that make it open source?