I dont Think people properly understand they can be on any server. And join multiple communities. And it all Show up in their Feed. They don’t Need to worry about “which community has the Most Users”
It disregards the benefits of a distributed platform. Imagine if the admins went rouge, or the server data was irreversibly lost, suddenly all that content would be gone or under the authoritarian rule of the admins. Bit dramatic but you get the point.
If the majority of content is on there, we’ve quite literally taken a decentralised system and centralised it lol
Communities are inherently tied to the instance on which they are created and cannot be moved. If the instance is overloaded then that community will not federate properly. If the instance goes down nobody can post to the community. If the instance goes away that community goes away (except for the “cache” that other instances have).
Out of curiosity what has the disk usage growth looked like so far for your lemmy instance? I occasionally selfhost but I’m not a hardcore datahorder or anything so the replication of data from instances you subscribe to has me on the fence.
Lady i checked, it was about 21g used from a 1tb ZFS pool.
My instance isn’t minuscule though. Few months old and only 20 users.
I’m curious about longer term growth though. No idea how long 1tb will last, but I have more of need be.
Damn that setup is no joke. 21GB in a few months initially sounded like a lot to me… but I decided to math it out.
Lets say the 20gb was across 1,2 or 3 months…
Time till 1tb would fill up.
+------+-----------+----------+----------+||3 months |2 months |1month||1 TB |~12 years |~8 years |~4 years |+------+-----------+----------+----------+
That data usage is looking pretty reasonable… Even 20gb per month is something that wouldn’t be too hard to keep up with and I’m sure eventually there’ll be a way to clean up old posts that no one on your instance saved or commented on if you are trying to save space. I’d start to worry if disk usage was hitting closer to 40gb a month.
i wish there was a way to show the growth over time, because obviously some is taken up by the OS, then all the initial setup of lemmy. I’ll keep an eye on it as it grows.
Grafana + something like influxdb+telegraf would do the trick. It sounds like you don’t have metric gathering like that on your instance? If that’s the case I’m surprised you don’t when you’re running with a full server rack haha.
Yes. Because there’s no centralised list of communities, searching is extremely difficult.
Or if not, very time consuming.
Following every iteration of every node.
The best way I can think of at the moment is a searchable website that gives you a link to click to seamlessly subscribe to them directly.
It’d be fine if the website is user submitted rather than having to interrogate all the servers on the back end, because the results would have seen a human eye and be better quality.
Unless I am mistaken, when the instance you sign up with dies, so does your account? Obviously your content and potentially profile will exist in some state, but you would no longer be able to authenticate, so for all intents and purposes your account is gone.
While that won’t matter for some, for others that means there is some importance in the decision of where you create your account. Since, once that instance decides to shut down (or if it happens to defederate,) your account goes with it.
I’m hosting one right now. Lemmyunchained.net
But in will have to Limit Users at some point.
I dont Think people properly understand they can be on any server. And join multiple communities. And it all Show up in their Feed. They don’t Need to worry about “which community has the Most Users”
Yes they can be on any instance, but I’m starting to get worried about the number of communities that are on Lemmy.world
Why is that worrying?
It disregards the benefits of a distributed platform. Imagine if the admins went rouge, or the server data was irreversibly lost, suddenly all that content would be gone or under the authoritarian rule of the admins. Bit dramatic but you get the point.
If the majority of content is on there, we’ve quite literally taken a decentralised system and centralised it lol
We did it
redditerr… sorry guys… old habits and allCommunities are inherently tied to the instance on which they are created and cannot be moved. If the instance is overloaded then that community will not federate properly. If the instance goes down nobody can post to the community. If the instance goes away that community goes away (except for the “cache” that other instances have).
Can you move a community once it’s created?
Nope, but that would be an awesome new feature!
Out of curiosity what has the disk usage growth looked like so far for your lemmy instance? I occasionally selfhost but I’m not a hardcore datahorder or anything so the replication of data from instances you subscribe to has me on the fence.
Lady i checked, it was about 21g used from a 1tb ZFS pool.
My instance isn’t minuscule though. Few months old and only 20 users. I’m curious about longer term growth though. No idea how long 1tb will last, but I have more of need be.
(This is my little lab)
Damn that setup is no joke. 21GB in a few months initially sounded like a lot to me… but I decided to math it out. Lets say the 20gb was across 1,2 or 3 months…
Time till 1tb would fill up. +------+-----------+----------+----------+ | | 3 months | 2 months | 1 month | | 1 TB | ~12 years | ~8 years | ~4 years | +------+-----------+----------+----------+That data usage is looking pretty reasonable… Even 20gb per month is something that wouldn’t be too hard to keep up with and I’m sure eventually there’ll be a way to clean up old posts that no one on your instance saved or commented on if you are trying to save space. I’d start to worry if disk usage was hitting closer to 40gb a month.
i wish there was a way to show the growth over time, because obviously some is taken up by the OS, then all the initial setup of lemmy. I’ll keep an eye on it as it grows.
Grafana + something like influxdb+telegraf would do the trick. It sounds like you don’t have metric gathering like that on your instance? If that’s the case I’m surprised you don’t when you’re running with a full server rack haha.
I always just use the proxmox data. I’ll check out grafana.
In practice right now it can be a bit schetchy tbh. Finding and subscribing to them is flakey and searching can be a bit hit and miss too.
When it does all work both smoothly and seemlessly then we’ll be golden.
Yes. Because there’s no centralised list of communities, searching is extremely difficult. Or if not, very time consuming. Following every iteration of every node.
I’m not sure how that can be overcome.
lemmyverse.net
That’s cool. I’ll check it out.
The best way I can think of at the moment is a searchable website that gives you a link to click to seamlessly subscribe to them directly.
It’d be fine if the website is user submitted rather than having to interrogate all the servers on the back end, because the results would have seen a human eye and be better quality.
Yeh. I think there are websites that do that already. I haven’t really looked. But has to be some form of centralised list.
Unless I am mistaken, when the instance you sign up with dies, so does your account? Obviously your content and potentially profile will exist in some state, but you would no longer be able to authenticate, so for all intents and purposes your account is gone.
While that won’t matter for some, for others that means there is some importance in the decision of where you create your account. Since, once that instance decides to shut down (or if it happens to defederate,) your account goes with it.
I’ve seen something like 8 comments pointing people towards their own servers.
Which essentially guarantees a level of community fragmentation as to prevent community growth, cohesive, or general activity does it not?
Ideally each community “group” would have their own Lemmy instance.
Yeh. There’s a few servers that donut really well. Lemmy.nsfw is probably the best example I think.