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      As an actual father-in-waiting - no it is not. That little thing is going to be a human, maybe. Not a human yet.

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        How is it not a human in the early developmental stages? This reads as cope to me tbh. A baby doesn’t magically become human when it comes out of a vagina. A baby 6 months into pregnancy has pretty much all their body parts. They have a brain, a nervous system, arms/legs, etc

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            Consent is given when you had sex. Don’t have sex if you don’t want a baby. You don’t get to kill it because you made bad choices. I’m okay with early abortion in the case of rape and life threatening health issues of the mother.

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              The woman has every right to deny consent to any person using her body.

              Just because she lets a guy have sex with her, doesn’t mean somebody else has the right to show up too.

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                Considering birth is a direct consequence of having sex, yes I would say a woman should be aware that they can get pregnant. You don’t have to have sex, and you don’t get to kill a baby because you were irresponsible.

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                  And there it is, the moral panic. These scandalous whores are out there fulfilling a basic human need. They must be punished with a life sentence of hard labor.

                  Obviously women are aware that pregnancy can result from sex. How stupid do you think women are? Just the fact that a baby showed up has not the slightest bearing on whether it has any right to use her body without her continuing consent.

                  Sex is a basic human need, and consent may be withdrawn at any time. Just because she said yes earlier doesn’t mean she can’t change her mind at any time.

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      Do you consider it mass murder when you ejaculate? All that sperm can be considered people by your logic. Is a woman having her period or a miscarriage murder? After all, all of those cells or dead fetuses she’s purging are clearly people. If a fetus, which is a parasitic clump of cells that isn’t conscious and depends on the host to survive, is considered a person, then by your logic, so is sperm, eggs, miscarried fetuses, and even cancer.

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        Why do leftists keep asking that? At first, I thought it was just a one-off dumbass, but now its way past that point.

        And sperm are not fetuses.

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          My mother has three children but had four pregnancies. She unfortunately can’t give birth naturally and needed C-sections. The complications that come with C-sections get greater each time and doctors (at least at the time) heavily recommended against more than three C-sections.

          She had to terminate her third pregnancy because the fetus didn’t develop properly and the babies spine wasn’t connected. He would have lived for maybe 30 seconds before dying an incredibly painful death if brought to term. My youngest sibling wouldn’t be here if she needed to bring that baby to full term.

          Overturning Roe v Wade is already putting thousands in similar situations or worse, like the examples brought up in John Oliver’s segment.

          You don’t oppose murder. You support suffering.

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          idk what it is with you americans but why does everything have to be about politics.

          Don’t need to put a label to everything that is bad in your opinion. Its your opinion, great, good for you. You don’t have to get an abortion if you don’t like it.

          What is the land of the free where everyone is living their way. Other people are just as American as you are and can do whatever they want to, whether you like it or not.

          Just because drinking is bad and is killing parts of your brain and i dont like it doesnt mean i get to decide if people can get drunk or not.

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            I just think killing babies is wrong and shouldn’t be encouraged as a secondary form of birth control. That is a real living human in the early stages and I think it’s sick that we treat their life with such disregard.

            Just because drinking is bad and is killing parts of your brain and i dont like it doesnt mean i get to decide if people can get drunk or not.

            Drinking while pregnant is already illegal, so it seems there is precedent in law for treating fetus’ as a human being. You also can get charged with double murder if you kill a pregnant woman. Why is that?