Not that this is a surprise to some of us.
To be honest, Ubuntu likely has nothing to do with it and I find the headline therefore misleading. It’s mostly the Linux kernel from how it reads.
Ubuntu 23.10 was run for providing a clean, out-of-the-box look at this common desktop/workstation Linux distribution. Benchmarks of other Linux distributions will come in time in follow-up Phoronix articles. But for the most part the Ubuntu 23.10 performance should be largely similar to that of other modern Linux distributions with the exception of Intel’s Clear Linux that takes things to the extreme or those doing non-default tinkering to their Linux installations.
That’s obvious. But the test was made on Ubuntu, so they can only report about their results on Ubuntu. They did not claim they can’t be similar in other distros.
Lemmy’s “Ubuntu bad” sentiment gets a bit ridiculous sometimes.
For those of us still naive … Why does Lemmy say “Ubuntu bad” now?
Because Canonical bad.
Care to elaborate?
/sarcasm
Two things, one they’ll openly admit, one they’ll pretend is not a factor but it’s the main reason.
The first are snaps. Snaps are a way of package distribution created by Canonical with the goal of solving a few problems on Linux: snaps allow a piece of software to be installed bundling the exact dependencies it wants, run inside a sandboxed container, and be updated with ease regardless of the rest of the system. If you’re familiar with Flatpaks, you might think they sound similar - that’s because they are, the difference being snaps came first and are hosted by Canonical, while Flatpaks came later and are hosted by the community.
Snaps, like all similar packages on Linux, suffered with slower app launch speeds, issues with drivers or other system components not interacting correctly with the sandbox, and so on. Those issues have been mostly fixed, and snaps are loved by people who use Canonical’s solutions to workstations and servers.
“Snap bad too slow, canonical le evil” stayed though. It’s worth noting that while enabled by default, snaps can be disabled. So that’s reason number one.
Reason number two is simple: Ubuntu is the most popular Linux distro for desktop usage, and the most often recommended for beginners.
This means Ubuntu goes against the “we aren’t normies” mentality that dominates a portion of the Linux community. It’s hard to feel like a super genius for using Linux when your neighbor who can barely understand a keyboard can simply install Ubuntu in an afternoon and everything works great. Ubuntu being the home for newcomers also means said newcomers will often appear in Linux forums asking for help, and lots of tutorials are written for Ubuntu - which angers users from other distros.
So that’s it. That’s why Lemmy hates Ubuntu. Every other argument like “oh no Ubuntu is too closely tied to Canonical’s objectives” or “Oh no, Ubuntu is too opinionated and will change tradition in other to appease newcomers” could be applied to a million other distros, but you won’t see people complaining about them.
The problem is also that the hosting software for snaps, the backend that canonical has is P R O P R I E T A R Y and that’s one of the main gripes.
I see proprietaty bad.
I hit like…
I am simple as that.
Serving files over HTTPS is not difficult to implement If anyone cared. Even if the cloud backend was open source you still wouldn’t use it. Downvote now!
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Apply the same argument to that.
Ooof. That hurt.
I’ll add one more grip: Amazon integration. It’s been resolved for like 7 years now, but I still hold it against them a bit for placing Amazon search results in my desktop all those years back. Not that I don’t have an Ubuntu server running as we speak, but it still does taint them a tad in my eyes (and probably acts as an anachronism to the “it’s a corporate distro” theme of dislike around here).
I don’t like Ubuntu for one reason:
ubuntu-advantage-tools.Ahh, okay, so nothing new under the sun: Hipsters hate normies and September never ended.
Although I’m under the impression that Mint and Pop have taken a bite out of the “beginner desktop” market, Ubuntu is most of what I observe in the office when everybody else is booting Windows.
I can understand selecting for novelty; I’m usually in that camp. But novelty shouldn’t come at the expense of an argument to IT departments that they should support at least one Linux distro.
Proprietary snap store backend that is controlled by Canonical: that’s it.
I used Ubuntu for years: installed it for family and friends. I moved away around a year ago.
Moving packages like Firefox to snap was what first started annoying me.
If the backend was open source, and the community could have hosted their own (like how flatpak repositories can be), I might have been slightly more forgiving.
Did a quick Google to find if someone had elaborated, here’s a good one:
Snap is just one case where Ubuntu is annoying.
It is also a commercial distribution. If you ever used a community distribution like Arch, Gentoo or even Debian, then you will notice that they much more encourage participation. You can contribute your ideas and work without requiring to sign any CLAs.
Because Ubuntu wants to control/own parts of the system, they tend to, rather then contributing to existing solutions, create their own, often subpar, software, that requires CLAs. See upstart vs openrc or later systemd, Mir vs Wayland, which they both later adopted anyway, Unity vs Gnome, snap vs flatpak, microk8 vs k3s, bazar vs git or mercurial, … The NIH syndrom is pretty strong in Ubuntu. And even if Ubuntu came first with some of these solutions, the community had to create the alternative because they where controlling it.
I wonder why they went with a version of Windows 11 Pro instead of Windows 11 Pro for workstations?
I haven’t used windows regularly since windows vista, is there an actual difference between those two version in performance?
It’s supposed to be tuned more toward heavy workflows, such as rendering and CAD. It has support for more RAM (6TB) and quad SMP along with ReFS, and SMB Direct.
I only found out about it because we needed a beastly set up for combining lidar and drone aerials in Autodesk.
Can you buy that, or do you have to get it bundled with the machine?
Turns out you can actually buy it. I was under the impression it was for OEMs only.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/windows-11-pro-for-workstations/dg7gmgf0kr4m
Thanks!
They said they tested using the version of Windows preinstalled by HP, as (presumably) HP would have fine-tuned it for the machine.
Preinstalled by the OEM? That sounds like it has Windows bloat and HP proprietary bloat.
Is there some reason to think that running Windows 11 Pro for Workstations would have made a difference in a CPU benchmark? I’m not seeing anything obvious on the feature list for that version that would make that be the case.
ugh. does that allow more than one rdp I wonder?
Do a Gentoo test with correct compilation parameters! Or just Arch, Fedora or Opensuse Tumbleweed okay.
Let’s see Paul Allen’s Threadripper performance…
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Going back to the original AMD Ryzen Threadripper processors, Linux has long possessed a performance lead over Microsoft Windows.
With Linux typically being the dominant OS of HPC systems and other large core count servers, the Linux kernel scheduler has coped better than various flavors of Windows when dealing with high core count processors.
Ubuntu 23.10 was run for providing a clean, out-of-the-box look at this common desktop/workstation Linux distribution.
The HP Z6 G5 A for all testing was configured with the Ryzen Threadripper PRO 7995WX at default frequencies, 8 x 16GB DDR5-5200 Hynix RDIMMs, Samsung MZVL21T0HCLR-00BH1 NVMe SSD, NVIDIA GeForce RTX A4000 16GB graphics.
A full review on the HP Z6 G5 A Threadripper workstation will be published in a separate article on Phoronix in early December.
From there the up-to-date Windows 11 Pro Build 22631 (H2’23) was tested against Ubuntu 23.10 with its stable release updates.
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