How do notifications work in the official Telegram Android app (Play Store vs Site version maybe)? Does it have the same mechanism as Signal, which only recognizes the presence of notifications via Google services, but sends them via its web socket service?

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    It is you who refuses to take logical steps to agree that every single app with the same feature set will be vulnerable to governments’ decisions. Signal is not a subject of that only because it does not provide such features and therefore is not used by protesters.

    Yes, telegram knows all your private groups. But you are missing everything by assuming it is bad for you. You will be arrested not because telegram will disclose your private groups. You will be arrested because some person will join your private group and leak your presence there. That person will not need to get any information from Telegram for that. This is not an issue a service could solve by any encryption.

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      Signal…is not used by protesters.

      Yes it is. Wtf

      Yes, telegram knows all your private groups. But you are missing everything by assuming it is bad for you.

      It doesn’t need to do that, so yes, it is bad.

      You will be arrested not because telegram will disclose your private groups.

      Telegram already discloses people’s identities when state governments ask. Why would it not disclose groups?

      A year ago, you would have said Telegram doesn’t disclose people’s identities. Telegram constantly backpedals its claims, after getting caught in a lie.

      This is not an issue a service could solve by any encryption.

      … You say, ignoring every other problem Telegram has but Signal does not

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        Yes it is. Wtf

        Could you prove that? More specifically, I need proof that it allows public groups for protesters to gain mass and protect their identifies adequately at all times.

        It doesn’t need to do that

        It does need that. Signal stores this information too. Just because it’s encrypted doesn’t mean it will not be handled to someone against your will.

        Why would it not disclose groups?

        I don’t know, maybe because I can’t imagine why even the most insane government would come up with laws that would allow it to ask internet services something like “hey there is this person, please provide some data of their activity on your service” instead of just capturing that person and making them spill out everything themselves. If you are at the point where your groups are disclosed this won’t be the result of government’s requests to some service. It’ll be the starting point for those.

        A year ago, you would have said Telegram doesn’t disclose people’s identities.

        I wouldn’t.

        ignoring every other problem Telegram has but Signal does not

        Signal’s way to “not have problems” is to avoid users who could bring them.

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          Signal…is not used by protesters.

          Yes it is. Wtf

          Could you prove that?

          Sure, there’s pl–

          More specifically, I need proof that it allows public groups for protesters…

          I don’t accept your reframing.

          Telegram’s public groups mean people can anonymously view the contents of the messages, which is a danger to protesters. I don’t know why you would even bring up this so-called feature.

          Yes, telegram knows all your private groups. But you are missing everything by assuming it is bad for you.

          Signal stores this information too.

          No. It doesn’t. We have multiple court documents to prove this.

          Just because it’s encrypted doesn’t mean it will not be handled to someone against your will.

          This is unhinged.

          ignoring every other problem Telegram has but Signal does not

          Signal’s way to “not have problems” is to avoid users who could bring them.

          As pointed out above, Signal has been used in multiple protests in the past and is still used by activists and people who care about privacy today.