• Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.works
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    Lemmy feels like a subset of Reddit.

    Certain communities are continuations of those that are/were on Reddit. The “post link to a paywalled article, everyone bitches about the headline” section of the world is a carbon copy. A lot of the technical space…I haven’t encountered as many “May God create a deeper, hotter hell for you and your family if you buy Intel over AMD” types here, though this may have been because I haven’t really found a substantial PC hardware community.

    Commercial Republicanism doesn’t seem to be anywhere near as present. The folks with a mossy oak jacket instead of a personality…there’s a few of them here but the extremists actually seem to be Stalinites.

    The various permutations of No Stupid Questions or Ask Lemmy aren’t as dick-in-hand horny as Reddit’s were (I’m guessing there’s fewer teenagers here), though there’s a lot more talk about the platform itself. slow turn to look at OP

    Official discussion boards are completely absent. Nobody’s ending Youtube videos with “Go check out our Lemmy community.” I’ll use the example of Coffee Stain Studios’ game Satisfactory: Snut still occasionally mentions their subreddit, and while there is a community here, it’s A. unofficial and B. almost entirely dead.

    The brain trust feels gone. Stuff like r/tipofmytongue or r/whatisthisthing or r/askhistorians just hasn’t happened here yet, possibly because of the lower population. I’m less confident that I can get an actual answer to “What’s this weird piece of bent metal I found in the back of my grandmother’s silverware drawer for?” or “What’s that movie where a guy pulls a nuclear bomb with an ATV and gets radiation sickness?” I don’t foresee AMA’s or anything like that, though it seems that was dying off on Reddit as well.

    Moderators overall seem to be doing an amazing job, because the place seems well moderated, I don’t really notice the mods doing their jobs as much (possibly because Lemmy doesn’t do the deleted by moderator thing that Reddit did for some reason), and I’ve yet to see or hear about a mod being a human case of pink eye like you’d see so often on Reddit. Use Reddit for awhile and you build up a list of moderator names and the subs they ruin, the same list on Lemmy is still blank so far.

    It’s still the internet, which means The Worthless are present and accounted for. You know, the “people” who didn’t get enough attention as children who exist only to make casual conversation via text impossible via interpreting every sentence as 100% true and literal. Say something like “Raiders of the Lost Ark was better than Last Crusade” and The Worthless are guaranteed to show up and try to lecture you about opinion versus objective fact.

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    I’m asking because I’ve personally found it far more hostile than Reddit (the only other platform I’ve put much time into). What I’ve mostly seen is that people downvote quickly and tend towards eliteism relative to Reddit. That said, I recognize that this could be just by instance or community, so I’m curious how others have found it.

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      The problem is not just that it’s hostile, but it’s also full of people that know jack shit.

      On Reddit you go to r/whatever and there’s a good chance the guy answering your question is the actual godfather of whatever. Those guys didn’t make the move to Lemmy because they are hardcore into whatever, but casually into Reddit. What we got are the people that were hard core into Reddit, and casual into whatever.

      So we have a bunch of blind leading the blind dilettantes getting all pissed off about shit they know fuck all about.

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        That’s actually a really great point that was hitting on something I felt but didn’t understand about my interactions and I think it really sums it up. It feels like every community is a general community here - explaining how technology works on reddit to someone on a general purpose sub was expected, but here you get people posting clickbaity anti-capitalist anti-tech shit in tech communities that are factually wrong and getting absurd upvotes and agreement from people who agree with the politics and that’s all.

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          Who was pretty knowledgeable about biology and contributed a lot before he developed a serious case of Reddit brain.

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      ive found it incredibly diverse. there are many instances, and some are known for nice folks. beehaw is friendly… midwest.social has been nice to me. lemmy.world is a taunting wasps nest of nonsense… the bigger the community the more… rough… you may find it.

      https://fedidb.org/

  • I’ve been on the Internet specifically for the social aspects of it since 1990 and I honestly don’t see much difference at all between any specific site, forum, Usenet bulletin board, chat room, or service. Just the in-jokes are different and some terminology changes. People are people no matter where they are. The internet as a whole fosters a particular subset of people that even amongst their own different tribes, are fundamentally the same. A lot of outcasts and marginalized people that have no others of their particular group in reality to vibe with. I’m one of them, and I love the web because there are so many others like me here, everywhere I happen to go on it.

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      As a none American, people really need to separate the arseholes, which every country has, and the Americans.

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    I tend to find that it needs about 10x the users, but I honestly don’t know if it could handle that at the moment. Generally I would assume one would use a social network for the social aspects, but right now the top (everything) post of the past 24 hours has something like a thousand votes and about a hundred comments, which is actually a pretty decent amount. But there’s maybe 1 other post with 100+ comments right now in the top of the past 24 hours that I can see. Go to a second page or scroll for a bit and you’ll see most posts have less than ten comments.

    Is number of comments the most important metric? Probably not, but it is pretty important one since it’s kind of the main reason I would come here instead of just scrolling through Google News or whatever, and I’m guessing I’m not alone.

    The only people who actually managed the migration in my opinion were the StarTrek.website people, and it took a clever coordinated effort in a community of people who probably skew more technical than most. For most communities that were interested in things like specific games, shows, hobbies, or whatever and not interested in a new computer toy to play with, they’ve essentially died out and are either ghost towns or full of bot posts.

    In large part I think it’s because Lemmy’s discoverability is pretty trash, and while I get that it’s kind of on purpose it’s still an issue. The migration led to this explosion of communities but because finding them is harder than making them, it spread these relatively small communities out. The hope was that they would find each other and coalesce, but instead it seems like they took the path of least resistance and just slid back to their old haunts.

    One of Lemmy’s key strengths is that it can act both as an aggregator that has a stream of news stories and comments but if tuned slightly differently it can act much more like an old school forum, but there’s really no way to bridge the two ways of interaction right now. I think one path forward is finding that middle ground, and slowly becoming a respiratory of useful discussions like old school forums, Facebook groups, and yeah even reddit. But to do that there needs to be a lot more searchable and discoverable and not just letting Google do it. Finding a way to both surface jokes and memes and whatever for quick consumption, but also having some way to keep those highly technical 130 page long forum posts where they reverse engineer an aquarium bubble pump or something available and simmering on the back burner, ready to be found in a few years and awakened when someone makes a breakthrough.

    On a more personal note, I feel like I’m vibing less and less with Lemmy. The memes have slowed way down, the articles are interesting sometimes but the lack of any comments makes me less interested in interacting with them, and I feel like I hit the wall of reddit repost bots spamming thousands of sonic fan arts way quicker than I used to. It honestly feels a lot more like it’s dying from lack of meaningful user interaction pretty much everywhere outside the star trek memes. Half the time it feels like I’m just using Hacker News by proxy. Just like that line “butter spread over too much bread” it feels like the users are spread out over too many servers. I dunno, I’ve had a few so I’m rambling. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk I guess.

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      I blocked all of those repost bots a few months ago, and it really improved the experience for me. No longer are there seemingly interesting posts but with 0 engagement, with the real OP not even on Lemmy. It feels a lot more organic.

  • Leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    I miss some of the communities I used on reddit that are still either quiet or very quiet over here, but I also recognise that unless I ramp up my participation in them, I haven’t really got grounds to feel negative about that. Besides, using social media less is a plus to me.

    I love there’s no ads, tracking and ‘suggestions’ - in short, no algorithm. The apps are (mostly) open source and the community are appreciative of that.

    I used to get news from reddit and can get it here too, there’s no difference in quality or quantity. Politically, I appreciate the de-emphasis on hateful content and it helps I’m on an instance where the Admin is on top of their game in that respect. It is noticeably more left-wing on here but since I am too I guess that’s not an issue for me. It’s certainly way better than Reddit in that respect where I’d stumble across fairly extreme right-wing opinions in (supposedly) non political subs every day.

    People seem, by and large, much calmer and more reasonable here and less inclined to attack en masse. I’ve noticed a distinct improvement in my overall mental health but I think that might have more to do with not being on reddit than being on here.

    Lemmy is what we make it. For those of us who came over in the Summer, Lemmy/KBin is less than 6 months old. Let’s not paint it into being one thing or another just yet.

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    I just wish there was a single leftist community on the internet which was academically engaged with contemporary political science instead of simping for shitty autocrats because they want to relitigate the cold war.

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      Quora has a higher rate of intelligent posts than most open forums. And the community tends to be less tolerant of troll posts and those not backed by evidence. Much less right-wing extremism.

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    I like it better. Sometimes you do see users being irrational, entitled/whiny or disingenuous, but it’s still way less than you’d see in Twitter or Reddit. And I’ve seen users chewing others for engaging in those three things, frankly that’s fucking great.

    However I do think that there’s lots of room to improve. I’ll mention some sore points:

    • On disagreement, some users immediately assuming that the others are stupid (lacking reasoning) or ignorant (lacking a piece of info), instead of asking themselves “am I missing something?”.
    • While witch hunters are not as bad here as in Reddit, they’re still bad. If you want to denounce people, basic reading comprehension is obligatory.
    • Excessive focus on the words being used to convey something instead of what is being conveyed.
    • “WAAAHHH TL;DR!@!@!1” is becoming more and more frequent. If it’s too long to read, it’s also too long to whine about its length.
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    I’ve found more far-left shitposting here than anywhere else on the internet, which might be some people’s cup of tea but I find incredibly obnoxious. I’m not even right-leaning. Glad I can block whole instances with the app I use at least

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    Contributions that aren’t explicitly Marxist are heavily down voted. Overall the atmosphere is less neutral and less helpful.

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      On lemmy.ml and other outright tankie instances I’m sure this happens, but I’ve never seen it outside of that. Maybe it’s time to switch to a better instance?

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    It’s about the same as everywhere else. The most fun I have on any social media platform these days is blocking assholes.

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    When I first landed (the day boost died for reddit) it was all flowers and birds but since the start of the gazan genocide Interactions have grown progressively more toxic in almost every forum. Everybody has strong political opinions, which isnt a problem per se, but they are more than prone to bash them into everybody else.

    I personally agree with most of the stuff here, but still, I would prefer a space for the exchange of ideas and dissertation over one for pure confrontation and circlejerk.

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    I find it mostly better than any other option available, but the polarization of the people here is sometimes hilariously out of control.

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    Generally discussion has been more mature and respectful. Still, I think people are more likely to downvote things they disagree with but I think happens more in controversial topics like Threads defederation, Gaza, and politics in general.

    If you want to compare to Reddit, they tend to hide comments with negative scores anyway, and though I can’t see the upvote/downvote ratio for comments, having 5 upvotes and 4 downvotes feels worse than 500 upvotes and 400 downvotes. The points don’t matter anyway so don’t even bother worrying about them.

    Just be nice and think of the other person.

    ETA: You also have to curate your feed a bit to block stuff you don’t want to see, certain accounts and stuff like the immature trolls on hexbear.