Coming at him with a personal insult is not the way to go about this.
The correct way is to point out that most Christmas traditions are not rooted in Christianity, but in paganism.
Exactly. What is Christian about chopping down an evergreen and put it in your house? That’s a pre-christian fertility symbol to invoke the turn of the solar year and the next agricultural season.
Also, the man is an idiot.
And also, it doesn’t matter.
I don’t give a shit what kind of holiday it is, it’s just an excuse to have a day off, be with your loved ones and eat good food.
I could do that any time of the year but most people seem to like this particular season and it works for me.
I could do that any time of the year
I really don’t think you could. This is a time of year that the entire country recognizes as “holiday season”, so there’s a good chance your entire family can take off of work and all be together at that time of year.
Friendly reminder that Sorbo is a traitor to his country who cheered on the Jan 6 insurrection before he realized they failed.
It took him a mere 45 minutes to conjure up the Antifa conspiracy.
You mean putting up a Yule tree and trading presents like the Romans did, two traditions stolen by Christianity?
As others have said, pretty much co-opted from existing traditions https://historyofenglishpodcast.com/2013/05/05/episode-24-germanic-mythology/
Is Christmas a religious holiday? Since when?
As far as I can tell, the traditions that surround Christmas have nothing to do with Christianity. Basically most of the stuff was coopted by Christianity at some point from some other belief or religion.
There’s no mention of putting up lights or a tree or giving presents to eachother as part of celebrating Jesus’ “birthday” (which all evidence would suggest, was not in December).
So I would ask, what’s particularly Christian about Christmas trees, lights and decorations, as well as gift giving at Christmas time? What part of the Bible says that’s what you’re supposed to do?
Simply put, it’s not in the Bible.
So I really have up wonder about anyone who criticises an atheist (or literally any non-Christian) about “celebrating” Christmas, since all the traditional stuff about Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity.
Obvious exception for Christmas mass or whatever religious service is happening the same day as Christmas… Going to a church is literally the only Christian thing about Christmas that Christians do… Everything else is simply “tradition” which has no basis in the Bible.
People like Sorbo are over here trying to gate keep celebrating the holidays.
What to the more on all that. Xmas is basically just late to the picture as the real holiday is already over on Xmas eve.
The real bit to celebrate regardless of religion, or even, if not especially, the lackthereof, is that this is the day of the return to the sun in the Earth’s ellipse of varying distance from such.
And it isn’t just the traditions that are borrowed, but the date too. As you said, the 25th of December wasn’t Jesus’ birthday - but it apparently was the birthday of Sol Invictus. (i.e. the sun.)
Actually there is a possible Bible reference to the Three Magi who brought gifts to baby Jesus, some Christian traditions refer to this for gift giving instead of Christmas.
Day 7250 of me begging Christians to understand that Jesus is not the patron deity of capitalism, and that Christianity did not invent winter solstice celebrations.
To be fair, after McClellan’s notes about the lack of primary data linking Christmas to non-Christian holidays I would gleefully support divorcing government observances of Chrismas in favor of generic winter or end of year festivities.
Republicans in the US have really soured me to anything Christian, which I now associate with property rights of the rich, authoritarian autocracy and white power movements. (That these might conflict with scripture is irrelevant to the policies lobbied by ministries and pushed by Christian-identifying officials.)
Christmas was on its way out when Charles Dickens wrote his potboiler and changed how we saw and celebrated Christmas in the following century. It might be time to put it to pasture and forge anew new winter traditions that mean something to who we are today.
Being raised christian really soured me to anything christian. ;-)
I prefer the Dresden Files version of Santa, that being a side gig of Odin. TO VALHALLA!
I would ignore Christmas entirely if I could.
I have family members who are really into it.
And the news always acts like the entire stupid consumer driven economy is riding on it. I actually don’t care about that. But I bet if we did all choose to ignore it, they’d complain that we’re tanking the economy on purpose. You can’t win with trolls.
When people take part in Christmas: “Stop enjoying our holiday!!”
When people don’t: “They’re waging a war on Christmas!!”
Victimhood is their chosen drug…
Answer - the same reason Christians celebrate Christmas: so I can co-opt someone else’s rituals for my own purposes. If they can steal solstice celebrations, I can celebrate Christmas.
As someone who used to be facebook friends with this joker, you have to be a special kind of stupid to make McAfee look like the voice of reason in comparison.
How is McAfee a joker? Just curious.
No, he’s actually rather serious. He overplays his importance to sell his book, constantly bragging about how his book “Disproving God” is required reading in University Biology Courses (no it isn’t), and just plays way too heavily to the “Dudebro” crowd in general…
But… the really shitty part is that he’s a supporter of literal god damn eugenics and believes religiosity is a “gene” we need to “breed out of existence” which triggers more than a raised eyebrow on my “Yikes” scale
Wouldn’t it be great if the sorbo account is a parody account and he’s just a harmless luddite in real life, surprised and frustrated to eventually find out someone is using his likeness to say the absolutely dumbest things anyone can say?
I’d ask, do we even know that actually happens?
Then, why did Christians turn Christmas into a commercial spectacle?
Next, what does he think about things like Christmas in Japan where it’s celebrated, but more as a cultural tradition of romance, family and friendship than a religious event (which basically is what he’s upset about here, when people do that, even though that’s also how most ostensible ‘christians’ act)
Oh, a snarky takedown. Meh. I prefer this:
