• fossphi@lemm.ee
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    11 months ago

    I mean, I get it. But what exactly is being produced in heaven such that the workers own the means of its production?

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    11 months ago

    But it’s okay because they made everyone else’s life a living hell. They deserve it.

    /s

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    11 months ago

    I agree: it’s stupid of them to criticize communism, because communism is precisely as authoritarian a regime as their religious utopia.

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      11 months ago

      Every Communist that isn’t authoritarian would like to disagree with you. Anarchists are not Marxist-Lenninists for example

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        11 months ago

        It doesn’t really matter—it’s inherent to the system. It’s built on a violent overthrow of the current system, followed by a single-party “transitional” government that never actually transitions and violently suppressed all opposition. Every communist movement that has ever taken over a nation state has devolved into an authoritarian dictatorship. Communists-lite like to call that a big, but it’s pretty clear to me and most other people that it’s a feature.

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          How about Chile, for example? They had a left-wing front consisting of socialists and communists that came to power without any violence through a purely democratic process, was fairly popular with electorate, and then got forcefully overthrown by CIA-backed military junta in 1973 (cause surprise-surprise: a socialist/communist state in South America was not in US’s interests, and it was a cold war era).

          There is nothing inherent about transitional government or even violent overthrow of a current system, communism in its purest form is only about creating the economy that distributes wealth according to people’s needs. It doesn’t automatically describe the means to get there, and what was conducted in 20th century was an attempt to implement one of the ways mapped by 19th-20th century thinkers.

          Some communists will say the general direction was right, but the implementation wrong; some others will say the approach itself was wrong and we need to start building communist society in an entirely different way. Both will be communists.

  • xia@lemmy.sdf.org
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    11 months ago

    Many believe the early church was marxist (“had all things in common”, etc).

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      11 months ago

      Or they just read what is said about Jesus in the bible? Marx didn’t invent the concept of helping the poor by sharing.

    • Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works
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      11 months ago

      I mean, yeah probably. Jesus was pretty clearly a socialist, though I’m not studied enough in socialism or the bible to say which version of socialist he was.

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      Including their women. There are little hints. Paul seems worked up about permissive sex going around, the earliest Gospel has Jesus spend a surprisingly high amount of time, for a rabbi, alone with women. James and Cephus would need a motivation to keep the failing Jerusalem church going, Mary Magedlian seems to have made enemies where she is accused of being permissive (every conservative accusation is a confession), records of lots of children of James, and a cryptic stuff about how there would be no gender in the future and no gender before Jesus. The last line was uttered by a person who told people to unquestionably follow James.

      History of early Christianity makes so much sense if you just treat it like any other cult. Sex, money, power. James and Cephus didn’t have money or power so what else could it be?

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    11 months ago

    So the asshole who posted this claims after we die and go to heaven it’s going to be the same shit that we have right now?!

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    11 months ago

    Ah yes, tankies who are so permanently online, they have never been able to ask for sauce in their entire lives - please tell me how to run the world

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    11 months ago

    Arguably, in heaven all resources are ready and abundant, while on earth everything takes time and effort.

    So yeah, if you can just pick a freshly baked pizza from the next tree anytime, why would you need any incentive to work on anything?

    On the other hand, on earth, pizzas take time and resources to make. Hence if one person makes pizza, that person may not want to give it to people who simply choose to do nothing all day.

    Concluding, this comparison does not really work.