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          the thing about the vegan “eat dog” things is that yeah people have cognitive dissonance about eating pet animals, i don’t

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          Oh, I thought you were meming. This is an anti-meat site. I don’t really get it, I don’t have moral compunctions against eating dog and I don’t think most people really do if you press them on it. It’s just a taste thing since we see them as companion animals instead of livestock. Eating dog (for Western non-dog-eating folks) is like using a screwdriver as a hammer, not an immoral act.

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        It’s interesting that in any other situation, getting raw, unbridled ecstasy at the expense of an animal would be horrible. What is it about taste pleasure that makes it ok?

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          They’re not alive while I do it, and I (along with most of the world’s population) have no ethical concerns about killing a animals for food.

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            Well its still your eating them that gets them killed, whether you kill them yourself or not.

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                it took 400 years to convince white Americans to stop keeping slaves. Injustices, however, do not exist forever.

                The only question is: Which side of history do you want to be on? On the side of the people who have spent their lives paying for animal suffering or on the side of the people who have worked for the welfare and rights of animals?

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                  I don’t eat animals, but I can guarantee that’s not the thing that’s going to put me on the right side of history. On a long enough timeline, we’re all monsters.

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                  I admire the strength of your convictions if you truly believe that not eating animals is going to put you on the “right side of history” akin to anti-slavery activists. I just don’t see that happening on our lifetimes, and don’t much care - unlike slaveholders, the vast majority of human history has consisted of omnivores. If a future generation of man wants to cast judgement on me, I’ll be in the company of most of mankind.

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            Correct, but it is still harm being inflicted on animals purely for pleasure, right? I just think it’s interesting that most people don’t have qualms with that, when they would under other circumstances.

            For instance: killing an animal because you like the sight of it = psychopath. Killing an animal because you like the sound of it = serial killer in the making. Killing an animal because you like the taste of it = normal.

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        Does your own pleasure justify harm against others? Can you think of other actions where this kind of justification might be problematic to you?

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          Does your own pleasure justify harm against others?

          I have (genuinely) tried really hard over the years to try and see it that way. To try to feel bad about the idea that an animal died so that I could eat it.

          It has never worked, not even a little bit. I’ve been on a farm a few times and have seen my food killed right in front of me, yet it never bothered me neither as a child nor an adult. The most I can do is pretend to care so that other people think I’m a saint, but I genuinely am not capable of feeling anything for the animals that I’m eating. I wonder if that’s a biological thing? Like some people are born without the genes that make you sad about this type of thing.

          Idk, but in any case, appeals to emotion have never worked on me, and will never work on me. I know there are logical, non-emotional reasons to avoid eating animals, but when I see vegan discussions online focusing on the emotional side of it, I just eye roll and leave. I guess it’s ironic, but a lot of vegans I’ve met IRL and online are lacking empathy.

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            That was not an appeal to emotion. It’s asking for a logical justification. Do you think actions that harm others, deserve consideration regardless of whether or not it makes yoh feel bad? It’s about how the victims feel.

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            That was not an appeal to emotion. It’s asking for a logical justification. Do you think actions that harm others, deserve consideration regardless of whether or not it makes you feel bad? It’s about how the victims feel.

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    You’ll all be vegan by choice or by force when every living animal that crepeth upon the earth is extinct.

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          “individual consumers are responsible for environmental problems” is such an insidious lie and i had hoped not to see it on 196

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            Companies are responsible, sure, but why not do your part in making a difference? Apart from there not being any justification for killing animals for pleasure.

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              You know humans have evolved to eat meat? Hunting animals is literally a core feature of us as an animal. It’s much easier to have a healthy omnivorous diet than a vegan one because our bodies are adapted to consume animal and plants together. It’s not a fact you can ignore and it’s the reason why vegans need artificial supplements or risk severe health issues.

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                Not even a vegan but this is such a bad argument lmao. Are you hunting the animals you eat? If not, you’re not just eating meat, you are directly participating in a system that tortures them before they die. Factory farms are horrific. If you’re gonna eat meat and animals products, fine, but don’t pretend like it’s just “what’s natural.”

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                Humans have evolved on an omnivorous diet. The evolution-from-meat-eating myth has been debunked many times over. Compared to an actual carnivore, our digestion is more akin to a herbivore than a carnivore. Just because we can eat meat, does not mean we should.

                Edit: Not even to speak of the fact that most meats the average person eats are stuffed full of antibiotics, so eating those does not equate a healthy diet.

                Edit: Have a few sources too: https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/ancestors-ate-meat/resources

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            The post doesn’t mention environmental problems. Most vegans, including myself, are more focused on the animals.