• socsa@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    There are literally pictures of bloodshed.

    I legitimately don’t understand why Leninists are so keen on making folk heroes out of tyrants. Why exert the energy to defend this shit instead of learning from it and building a better class of socialist??

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      1 year ago

      I’ll listen to western leftists when we actually take power and have to learn to use it to defend ourselves, currently we have a big fat 0 in the wins department

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      I legitimately don’t understand why Leninists are so keen on making folk heroes out of tyrants.

      What a sentence! You’re jumping to conclusions all over the place!

      You’re conflating information with a desire to “make folk heroes out of tyrants”, trying to denormalise a desire to understand what was actually happening.

      There was bloodshed but not on the Tienanmen square and the conditions are less clear than you believe

      It is obvious that most peoples idea of what happened is heavily influenced by propaganda, I know mine was.

      If you could stop sabotaging efforts to cut through the disinformation that would be great thanks

      Also: “They are tyrants” thanks I’ll defer judgement as long as the evidence you present us with turns out to be propaganda, there are other “tyrannical governments” much more in reach

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        1 year ago

        A big part of my gripe here is precisely the idea that one can engage in critical analysis of statecraft, while hand waving away inconvenient statecraft. Or worse - supporting broad censorship of inconvenient statecraft.