• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    I think it can be achieved because it’s based in logical progression of real systems. If I can take your exact same argument and use it against Capitalism in pre-revolution France, with a similar lack of logical foundation, I don’t think your argument holds any water. It’s more like a strainer than a bowl.

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      8 months ago

      If it just needs to be “based in logical progression of real systems” to achieve the goal, then why has it not succeeded yet after centuries of existence?

      If I can take your exact same argument and use it against Capitalism in pre-revolution France

      My argument that disparity is caused by people pursuing power and not economic systems?

      Please explain how your example of France proves my argument wrong.

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        8 months ago

        Because history occurs over time, not instantly.

        Here’s perhaps the funniest use of your own terrible argument: you believe that humans cannot land on Mars, because it hasn’t happened yet, at least if you’re at all logically consistent. You also believe the iPhone 20 will never exist, of course.

        See why your argument that “if this is what happens over time, why hasn’t it happened now?” is horrible? You make no actual analysis, in fact, you run from analysis.

        Please make an actual point.

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          8 months ago

          Just because something hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it is guaranteed to happen in the future.

          I didn’t think that I needed to explain that to you. I was wrong. Sorry.

          I am not saying things can’t happen if they haven’t happened yet.

          I am saying if Socialism and Communism have existed for centuries and that whole time they have had disparity. What reason is there to believe that disparity cannot exist in socialist or communist economies?

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            8 months ago

            I didn’t say it was guaranteed, I just said it’s possible.

            Communism has not existed for centuries, except in concept. It has never been achieved.

            Do you even know what we are talking about?

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              Yes, I am talking about why you think Communism is the solution to inequality but it just hasn’t achieved it yet after centuries of existing.

              Then you moved the goalpost to claim that communism has never been achieved.

              So let’s talk about that now.

              Why do you think Communism has never been achieved but at the same time think it is capable of solving inequality?

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                I didn’t move the goalpost, Communism as a concept is a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society that can be achieved after Socialism has built the groundwork for it. It hasn’t been achieved yet, because there have been no developed Socialist states yet, and Communism is a global, international system. It takes a long time to get there, it isn’t just something that poofs into existence.

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                  So Communism is:

                  concept

                  classless

                  moneyless

                  stateless

                  achieved by Socialist states

                  takes a long time

                  never been achieved before

                  I wonder why it hasn’t been achieved before.

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                    It’s a Stateless, Classless, moneyless society. It’s hard to build, but it’s possible to build towards, and will take time and development to get there.