The Indian rice export ban, the war in Ukraine and El Niño are combining to create a “doom loop” for the world’s poorest people, as staple food prices soar.
Mainwhile, Russia is actively engaged in the destruction of Ukraine wheat export terminals, and India remains silent.
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This reads like an ironic shitpost. No one can seriously believe that one person saying mean things can rationalize an invasion that’s killing thousands and hurtsling food security for millions.
Tbf “Asians are subhuman” is what the nazis used to justify killing millions of Russians, Ukrainians, and other USSR ethnicities. Millions of ukrainian red army soldiers are rolling in their graves.
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I can’t find one source for this that doesn’t come back to elrisala.
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Even if this story is true, one asshole doesn’t justify the genocide that Russia is committing in Ukraine.
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Even if this story is true, it happened long after Russia started their “special military operation” and can’t be used to justify it.
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I can point you towards many racist political figures throughout history who weren’t fascist. Racist is not the same as fascist. Sure, fascism usually requires creating an in group and an out group, but it’s also a lot more than that and needs to be larger than one person. Even if this person is a fascist, it still doesn’t even mean anything. He doesn’t have the political power to do anything fascist with.
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You can’t actually be this detached from reality…
Yeah. All those damned Jewish Nazis in charge over there.
If you were any dumber, you’d be a doorstop.
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Where do you people come from
Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad instances are full of tankies. Way I see it it’s only a matter of time before they defederate due to having to deal with sane people since the site blew up or people defederate from them as they’re just bloody annoying.
I’m ready for that to happen. It’s getting old already.
They’re fun to troll at least.
While true, at which point does defederating make sense? Been wondering this myself. Reality is full of bad actors so we should be capable of countering these threats without purely relying on censorship. OTOH that takes time and energy best spend elsewhere.
I think it all depends on user levels. At present the activity isn’t that much that mods can’t deal with any arguments the difference in opinion creates. When you get to Reddit user levels that becomes a lot more difficult.
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Try harder.
India, Indonesia and the rest of non alignment countries do not need to enter this war set up by the West.
I agree with you that India doesn’t need to take sides, but I’m pretty sure Russian/West cooperation had been increasingly positive since the cold war ended, right until Putin decided he wanted to be an imperialist again. The West didn’t make him invade a sovereign, non-threatening country.
Russia imperalist is akin to someone bombing Iraq, Vietnam and Afghanistan?
LOL
Pssst, you’re allowed to criticize more than 1 country
Is that why NATO and the EU cannot be baddies?
Iraq was a bullshit war. Cheney, Bush, and Rumsfeld should be in prison for lying to American public to involve us. The Iraqi civilian death toll was obscene. Few will disagree with this.
Ukraine is a bullshit war. Putin should be in prison for lying to involve Russia in it. Few outside Russia disagree with this.
It’s not a soccer match. These statements are self-consistent, not contradictory.
A tankies one weakness… he’ll never recover.
I agree; the joke is that multinationalism is used as a shield. Russia is a far-right fascist state just like America has a right and a far right party, just like how Europe is sliding back to fascism, and while China dives into its thought police hell world all while all of the above exploit the rest of the world and or there own citizens to push nationalism to its upmost cancerous potential untill the whole house of cards snaps on the inferno thtis clmiate change.
yes, your point being?
Russia is excused because USA is also doing bad stuff? Because that is a weak fucking argument.
Well… Yes.
They’re both bad
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Enter the war, no. Make a simple moral comment on who the agresssors are and that they should stop, years.
From what I read India and Russia are really old friends, that’s why India isn’t saying anything and they do lot of business.
Historical and political reasons too. USA keeps arming Pakistan with modern weapons, and they have a single target to use them on. It would be stupid of India to put all it’s weight behind US if that’s a one-sided affair. In an ideal world everyone would side with what is moral, unfortunately we don’t live in that world.
So true.
More than old friends. India is heavily reliant on russian arms. Replacing them would be a slow, expensive process. Considering it is surrounded on two sides by aggressors with regular conflicts, jeopardizing relations with Russia is not an option.
Started the food wars have
Can we please not have silly jokes on a serious topic like global hunger?
This is one thing I don’t want from reddit
I’m sorry if this disturbs you but free humour is one of the extremely important aspects of the internet that Lemmy needs to support. When you know who you are talking to you can avoid subjects that may hurt the other person but on the public internet this is not possible. The alternative to never dare making any joke because of the risk to hurt someone is dystopian.
Top comment isn’t even a joke, it’s a movie reference that supports the idea that this is a serious topic.A huge percentage of us probably only exist today because our ancestors could laugh in the face of adversity and just carry on
If I don’t laugh about the world I’ll just start crying. It’s sadly the defense mechanism I’ve developed. I use humor to avoid uncomfortable moments in all aspects of my life.
I agree, humor is a valid coping mechanism. It’s not like a serious conversation on Lemmy is going to solve world hunger, your joke was fine in my opinion.
I’ve had a lot of trauma in my life and have become a very pessimistic and dark person. Everyone has their cross to bear and I wear mine with a fake smile.
It’s not sadly the defence mechanism you developed, but luckily.
Because face it some defence mechanism is needed, and the vast majority of them are absolutely harmful. Fuck the ruffled feathers those are the exact kind of people who say “I’d rather ignore it”, “I’d rather deny it’s happening”, “I’d rather say that it’s bad everywhere”, “I’d rather say it’s because of the Jews”, “I’d rather sit here and unproductively wallow in pity”, or whatever. You are a human, and as such you have the birth right to be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed.
Thanks
Some of us can only deal with existential horror by laughing and the absurdity of it all.
It may sound silly but it’s put succinctly and there’s an element of grim truth to it.
Additionally, do we have to compare everything to Reddit? It’s the Internet, people are going to cope how they cope.
I just want to filter out the words Reddit, Elon and Trump. I’m just so tired.
You can in connect for Lemmy.
Idk if it works for comments but it forsure works for titles
Curating your experience certainly helps. Thankfully Lemmy clients are starting to have keyword blocks I hear. It’s the thing I miss the most about Boost.
Yeah but it’s in bad taste.
Bad taste is when people draw attention away from the actual issues and towards making sure the language is sufficiently inoffensive and mild enough for their delicate sensibilities. This is one of the worst traits that the Fediverse has developed.
Can we please not banning silly jokes on a serious topic? That is one thing I don’t want from real life
You must be fun at parties…
Humor can be a defense mechanism when things are bleak.
No
Why can’t South Asian diaspora just buy Thai jasmine rice instead?
Hong Kong here. We have rice almost everyday and apparently, we don’t import them from India. Yet the “Rice Association” said that due to the India ban, the price of rice in Hong Kong will likely to rise by 10% in October.
The nations used to import from India are buying from everyone else, and that drives up the prices.
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Same as our energy in the UK, we were never reliant on Russia for our gas, but because countries like Germany didn’t cut themselves off fast enough they were suddenly bidding up what we usually buy when the sanctions came in.
Because they’re really different. People who don’t eat rice as a staple aren’t aware how much varieties there are and how different they taste. There are three specific varieties used just in my own house for lunch, breakfast dishes and dinner respectively.
Japanese or Thai rice are totally different in taste, consistency and texture.
It would be like trying to bake using whole wheat flour instead of refined flour.
I think its the quality and people only want to consume high quality rice… I tried Thai jasmine and Indian basmati. Can confirm Indian Basmati is really good when compared to jasmine rice.
Asian guy here. I use jasmine for Asian dishes, Basmati for Indian and middle eastern dishes, and generic American long grain for Mexican and Cajun dishes. Pairing the right variety of rice with the right cuisine is a simple choice that can really improve the dish.
hmm, I generally prefer thai jasmine over basmati
they are very different styles, saying one is higher quality than the other is just plain wrong.
At the end of the day, it is about preferenxe. I am Chinese diaspora and have been eating Jasmine more than Basmati since it is not my preference.
Heck even local rice is better.
Must be preference because I greatly prefer Thai Jasmine rice over Indian Basmati. But they’re different.
I prefer jasmine rice for Thai food and Basmati rice for Indian food. Anything else would be strange.
100% agreed.
It’s just whatever you’re used to. Thai jasmine rice is amazing, and I wouldn’t eat Thai food with anything else. If you’re used to eating Indian food with basmati, jasmine won’t be a good substitute.
I’m used to Minute rice since that’s what my parents used growing up. Not sure what kind of rice that is, but the first time I made something that called for Basmati rice, I didn’t like the rice. It was sweet when I expected earthy. The rest of the recipe was good, and I just use jasmine rice with it instead every time thereafter, since that’s what I buy now over the boxed crap.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The cost of rice — a staple food for nearly half the world’s population — and other essentials, like wheat, corn and vegetable oils, are rising as geopolitical forces, extreme weather and a dawning El Niño disrupt global trade.
In its most recent rice outlook, the USDA said India was expected to ship a record 23.0 million tonnes in 2024, exceeding the combined shipments of the next two largest exporters — Thailand and Vietnam.
The Indian government runs the world’s largest food distribution program, catering to about 800 million people, according to McDonald Pelz business manager Sumit Gupta.
The Indian government has a policy of maintaining reserves of key commodities, and as it assessed the risk of El Niño, and the rapid pace of rice exports this year, it brought the trade to a close on July 20.
“This sharp increase in exports can be ascribed to high international prices due to [the] geo-political scenario, El Niño sentiments and extreme climatic conditions in other rice-producing countries,” the Indian Ministry of Consumer Affairs, Food and Public Distribution said in its statement declaring the ban.
At a conference in St Petersburg recently, Russian President Vladimir Putin pledged 25,000-50,000 tons of free grain to Burkina Faso, Zimbabwe, Mali, Somalia, the Central African Republic and Eritrea in the coming months.
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The Indian rice export ban, the war in Ukraine and El Niño are combining…
There’s a war in El Niño? What does that even mean? I thought El Niño was a weather thing, not a location.
You’re probably joking, but in case you’re not or anyone else is confused;
There are three reasons listed for the price skyrocketing:
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The Indian rice export ban
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The war in Ukraine
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El Niño
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No no no… The war in Ukraine and El Nino are combining. Someone figured out how to weaponize the weather for use in the war.
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Oxford commas forever. Commas save lives, people!
At the same time as Ukrainian wheat issues with the blockade could be a really big issue.
Ok… Now let’s see the positive effects of less people…
Climate change certainly gets a little less fuel…
It’s culling the wrong demographic. Removing poor people is the least efficient. Removing the poorest will have the least effect possible.
These comments always make me wonder wether it’s a lack of education, bad taste or racism.
Can people like you maybe read a little further down the thread, like i literally explained in detail why that comment is completely ridiculous and i don’t understand how someone could take it as a serious comment.
Its literally a joke.
Yes, I read it before. No, it didn’t change much. Where’s the joke, what’s funny about this?
On the other hand, too many people write these comments seriously, which is enough reason to counter them.
It’s downplaying the climate crisis and normalizing racism. You can insist it was done in a lighthearted way, but that’s not so relevant.
I’ve always wanted all countries to ban staple food and water exports. If you can’t grow your own food and have your own water, you don’t need to have people living there.
So what happens to all the refugees that do already live there who then need to be relocated, will your nation take them all?
How dare you advocate for national stability through hard times
Why would a country cripple their economic growth like that?
A bit valid. Just rough for the people already living there that may not have chosen it
Could do a phased approach over a decade or so, rather then all at once. But the other thing is that places (like saudi arabia) that shouldn’t have near the population they do, are able to pay much more for food then somalia and so food growers in somalia would rather produce food to sell rather then feed their own people. So you basically shift the starvation to the food producers rather than the food buyers.
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I mean, Russia man did illegally invade another country and ordered several warcrimes, so yeah, Russia man bad.
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I think we can all agree unprompted expansionist wars of aggression are bad, are you allowed to say that with me or are you within defenestration distance of a window?
If you are blink twice.
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And by that logic Russia should?
A: Leave Ukraine
B: Keep up it’s expansionist warThis one should be easy.
I think you broke the bot.
I’m ok with the non-answer
If they are human it could be dangerous for them to continue the conversation. I don’t know what they believe or if they are under duress. Or they aren’t and have simply had a moments reflection. Maybe not, maybe they just want to be done with this since neither of us are going to change our minds.
I’m kind of done with this too.
Buddy, if it were up to me, W, Cheney, and Putin would spend the rest of their lives in a cell together. They’re all war criminals.
Take your normal pills lil bro, you’re schizo posting again
If Russia man cared, then Russia man should gtfo of Ukraine.
“Warmonger bad” FTFY
Blame those who start and continue wars. It’s not entirely the fault of any one country, but there’s only one leader who could put a stop to this latest one.
Conditions? yeah like that’s not just going to inject needed capitol for an extended conflict so they can keep it going at this point. I don’t like how tangled up the world is getting in to this mess and I definitely don’t like how much it’s impacting civilians, but sanctions is clearly not the ONE thing keeping this war going, it was a response to it. It certainly didn’t start it and it’s clear that some leaders value pride over logic. Money isn’t solving that issue (more or less) now that it’s started even if it started as a distraction from economic problems. Whatever that leader is telling the people, he’s the only one who can end this. We need to end this mess. I’d encourage you to be open minded about what factors are keeping this war going, but I understand that’s hazardous in some parts of the world.
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Without being directly involved, the media / news / social media is the only information anyone has access to if you don’t know someone with first hand knowledge and even that is probably anecdotal. So that is unfortunately impossible to avoid.
There’s certainly justification for comparing self serving military actions of the US. It doesn’t make it right whoever is doing it. It’s hard to see this as directly comparable, but I am sure I don’t fully understand the situation so I am hesitant to argue details. But from an uninformed perspective it seems difficult to deny who is the aggressor who could just stop at any time.
