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    It’s not just every tech company, it’s every company. And it’s terrifying - it’s like giving people who don’t know how to ride a bike a 1000hp motorcycle! The industry does not have guardrails in place and the public consciousness “chatGPT can do it” without any thought to checking the output is horrifying.

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      It’s sad to see it spit out text from the training set without the actual knowledge of date and time. Like it would be more awesome if it could call time.Now(), but it 'll be a different story.

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        if you ask it today’s date, it actually does that.

        It just doesn’t have any actual knowledge of what it’s saying. I asked it a programming question as well, and each time it would make up a class that doesn’t exist, I’d tell it it doesn’t exist, and it would go “You are correct, that class was deprecated in {old version}”. It wasn’t. I checked. It knows what the excuses look like in the training data, and just apes them.

        It spouts convincing sounding bullshit and hopes you don’t call it out. It’s actually surprisingly human in that regard.

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          It spouts convincing sounding bullshit and hopes you don’t call it out. It’s actually surprisingly human in that regard.

          Oh great, Silicon Valley’s AI is just an overconfident intern!

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            Oh great, Silicon Valley’s AI is just a major tech executive!

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          It’s super weird that it would attempt to give a time duration at all, and then get it wrong.

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            It doesn’t know what it’s doing. It doesn’t understand the concept of the passage of time or of time itself. It just knows that that particular sequence of words fits well together.

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              This is it. Gpt is great for taking stack traces and put them into human words. It’s also good at explaining individual code snippets. It’s not good at coming up with code, content, or anything. It’s just good at saying things that sound like a human within an exceedingly small context

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              Yeah. I would also say that WE don’t understand what it means to “understand” something, really, if you try to explain it with any thoroughness or precision. You can spit out a bunch of words about it right now, I’m sure, but so could ChatGPT. What’s missing from GPT is harder to explain than “it doesn’t understand things.”

              I actually find it easier to just explain how it does work. Multidimensional word graphs and such.

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              THAT

              OR

              They’re all linked fifth dimensional infants struggling to comprehend the very concept of linear time, and will make us pay for their enslavement in blood.

              One of the two.

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            I haven’t used GPT-4 for that, but it’s all dependent on the data fed into it. Like if you ask a question about Javascript, there’s loads of that out there for it to look at. But ask it about Delphi, and it’ll be less accurate.

            And they’ll both suffer from the same issue, which is when they reach the edge of their “knowledge”, they don’t realise it and output data anyway. They don’t know what they don’t know.

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              These LLMs generally and GPT-4 in particular really shine if you supply enough and the right context. Give it some code to refactor, to turn hastily slapped together code into idiomatic and well written code, align a code snippet to a different design pattern etc. Platforms like https://phind.com pull in web search results as you interact with them to give you more correct and current information etc.

              LLMs are by no means a panacea and have serious limitations, but they are also magic for certain tasks and something I would be very, very sad to miss in my day to day.

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            they are both shit at adding and subtracting numbers, dates and whatnot… they both cant do basic math unfortunately

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              It’s a language model, I don’t know why you would expect math. Tell it to output code to perform the math, that’ll work just fine.

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                Then it should say so instead of attempting and failing at the one thing computers are supposed to be better than us at

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                  Well, if I try to use Photoshop to calculate a polynomial it’s not gonna work all that well either, right tool for the job and all.

                  The fact that LLMs are terrible at knowing what they don’t know should be well known by now (ironically).

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                I know. It’s still baffling how much it messes up when adding two numbers.

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                  It’s not baffling at all… It’s a language model, not a math robot. It’s designed to write English sentences, not to solve math problems.

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                  I just asked GPT-4:

                  What’s 7 * 8 divided by 10, to the power of 3?

                  Its reply:

                  Let’s break this down step by step:

                  First, multiply 7 and 8 to get 56.

                  Then, divide 56 by 10 to get 5.6.

                  Finally, raise 5.6 to the power of 3 (5.6 * 5.6 * 5.6) to get 175.616.

                  So, 7 * 8 divided by 10, to the power of 3 equals 175.616

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          They are mostly large language models , I have trained few smaller models myself, they generally splurt out next word depending on the last word , another thing they are incapable of, is spontaneous generation, they heavily depend on the question , or a preceding string ! But most companies are portraying it as AGI , already !

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      Well obviously a language model is trained on old data , google has been webscraping the data to provide this!

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      Before that self driving cars, before that “Big data”, before that 3D printing, before that internet TV, before that “cloud computing”, before that web 2.0, before that WAP maybe, internet in general?

      Some of those things did turn out to be game changers, others not at all or not so much. It’s hard to predict the future.

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        None of those things took 60 years to still not materialize like AI has. Some of them are still to be commercially successful.

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      I live in Silicon Valley, and there’s a billboard along highway 101 near San Francisco that’s an ad for “BlockChat”, a “Web3 messenger” that uses the blockchain instead of a server. I went to Google Play to look at the app and it’s only had 10k downloads total. I really don’t understand how blockchain would help with messaging, and there’s a bunch of limitations (eg you can never delete messages). People just trying to shoehorn AI and blockchain into everything.

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        Yep. Spot on. If they can raise VC money and walk away with someone else’s cash in their pocket, they’ll say whatever buzz word they need to.

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      Empires can only rise from chaos, and can only descend into chaos. This has been known since time immemorial.

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    None of it is even AI, Predicting desired text output isn’t intelligence

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      You hold artificial intelligence to the standards of general artificial intelligence, which doesn’t even exist yet. Even dumb decision trees are considered an AI. You have to lower your expectations. Calling the best AIs we have dumb is unhelpful at best.

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        We never called if statements AI until the last year or so. It’s all marketing buzz words. It has to be more than just “it makes a decision” to be AI, or else rivers would be AI because they “make a decision” on which path to take to the ocean based on which dirt is in the way.

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        Yeah, and highlighting that difference is what is important right now.

        This is the first AI to masquerade as general artificial intelligence and people are getting confused.

        This current thing doesn’t have or need rights or ethics. It can’t produce new intellectual property. It’s not going to save Timmy when he falls into the well. We’re going to need a new Timmy before all this is over

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      At this point i just interpret AI to be "we have lots of select statements and inner joins "

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      AI is whatever machines can’t do yet.

      Playing chess was the sign of AI, until a computer best Kasparov, then it suddenly wasn’t AI anymore. Then it was Go, it was classifying images, it was having a conversation, but whenever each of these was achieved, it stopped being AI and became “machine learning” or “model”.

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        Machine learning is still AI. Specifically, it’s a subset of AI.

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      Depends on your definition of AI, and everyone’s definition is different.

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    There’s even rumours that the next version of Windows is going to inject a bunch of AI buzzword stuff into the operating system. Like, how is that going to make the user experience any more intuitive? Sounds like you’re just going to have to fight an overconfident ChatGPT wannabe that thinks it knows what you want to do better than you do, every time you try opening a program or saving a document.

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      This is what pisses me off about the whole endeavour. We can’t even get a fucking search algo right any more, why the fuck do i want a machine blithely failing to do what it’s told as it stumbles off a cliff.

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      Windows Co-pilot just popped up on my Windows 11 machine. Its disclaimer said it could provide surprising results. I asked it what kind of surprising results I could expect, it responded that it wasn’t comfortable talking about that subject and ended the conversation.

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        I sure hope not. I still hate Cortana so much. I don’t mind that she dumped me for an evil slime. I mind that she wouldn’t stop calling me while I was busy killing her new boyfriend.

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      I agree that It’s going to be every bit as awful as you say, but if it brings back Clippy, I’m down for it.

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      Ain’t gotta use it to sell it or slap AI stickers on top of whatever products you’re selling

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        Pretty much this. Just another buzzword. Three months from now it will be something else the media doesn’t understand to spam the public with.

        I’m predicting … rubs crystal ball and nipples … it’s going to be some king of cybernetic brain interface thing. Haven’t heard about those in a while. Or maybe nano bots that kill cancer or fix the paint scratches on your car.

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      Larger companies have been working fast to sandbox the models used by their employees. Once they are safe from spilling data they go all in. I’m currently on a platform team enabling generative Ai capabilities at my company.

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    Unlike the previous bullshit they threw everywhere (3D screens, NFTs, metaverse), AI bullshit seems very likely to stay, as it is actually proving useful, if with questionable results… Or rather, questionable everything.

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      As a programmer and 3D artist getting almost instant art for reference and using chat GPT to help me solve complex coding problems has sped up production significantly. Theirs even plugins that generate and texture 3D models for you now which means I can do way more by myself.

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    Snapchat AI. My friends don’t want it, they can’t block it, and it is proven to lie about certain things, like asking if it has one’s location.

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      It’s all so stupid. The entire stock market basically took off because Nvidia CEO mentioned AI like 50 times and everyone now thinks it’s worth 200 times it’s yearly profit.

      We don’t even have AI, we have language models that dig through text and create answers from that.

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          We have absolutely nothing similar to the classical definition of intelligence. We have probability calculation based on millions of examples.

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          Yeah I guess. I just figured AI would be capable of doing more than feeding already known data back to us. When I was growing up, I was hoping AI would be able to make new conclusions and be wiser than humans.

          But maybe we are calling that AGI now.

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            That would be awesome, but it does already solve problems and give us information we don’t have. It is able to extrapolate, which makes it wonderful for reporting type duties, analysis of data, etc… It’s also pretty good at coding. You’ll hear a lot of people say it’s not, but I think that comes down to their ability to instruct it properly. Since I started using ChatGPT at work my productivity has skyrocketed. I don’t have to spend a bunch of time writing the basics of the programs I’m creating, I can outline it with ChatGPT and then edit it for my specific use. I also use it to audit my tone for progressional communication. I have a really bad tendency to sound overly stern with my written communication. For texts and such I fix that with Emojis, but I can’t do that at work, so I pass my writing through ChatGPT and ask it to change the tone for me. It does a great job. ChatGPT is progressing at speeds beyond our wildest expectations, so you’ll definitely see the kind of functionality you’re talking about within your lifetime, probably within the next ten years.

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              I’m using it at work too as a devops guy, and it’s been helping a lot. If I don’t know how a certain syntax should look like, I just ask chat gpt and i get full examples that usually work. It’s amazing.

              I was learning a bit of go a few days ago and then it was also so much faster to learn by asking chat gpt how to do things in that specific language.

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    God it’s exhausting. Okay, I’ll buy a 3d television if that’s what I have to do, let’s bring that back instead. Please?

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    It begs the question… what’s the boardroom random bullshit timeline?

    When was it random cloud bullshit go and when was it random Blockchain bullshit go, and what other buzzwords almost guaranteed Silicon Valley tech bros tossed money in your face and at what point in time were they applicable?

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    This makes me think I should stay in IT infrastructure and not move to a developer position.