Science journalism try to be accurate and non-clickbait mission impossible

Mostly FB wasn’t a trove of far right shit and it was before a lot of the scandals pointing out to what extent our data is sold.

searxng? Anyone?

Lmao this is me. (the guy)

First things first the delay in sentencing before the election was a joke

He’ll have died by the time he is sentenced to everything. He’s got more trials to face than years left to live.

People are panicking because they are dying of asyphyxiation.

But according to the wikipedia article the media tends to report on it as if the panic caused the deaths. When it’s the opposite.

From the wikipedia;

Incidents involving crowds are often reported by media as the results of panic.[16][17] However, the scientific literature has explained how panic is a myth which is used to mislead the attention of the public from the real causes of crowd incidents, such as a crowd crush.[18][19][20]

Crowd crushes which are often wrongly called stampedes still happen, even if “first world” countries. A recentish US-based example would be Travis Scott’s Astroworld concert.

Basically if you read the whole wikipedia article nearly all of these so called stampedes are actually crowd collapses where people are packed in too tightly and when a couple people lose their balance and fall it almost has a domino effect and people often die of injuries or asphyxiation. And panic doesn’t cause these, it’s having crowds at too high of a concentration.

At even higher concentrations, you have crowd crush, where people who are standing upright get so packed they are unable to breathe and are asphyxiated to death.

Okay I worked on my post. I believe everything in the title is backed up by what’s written in the article. I need sleep now, goodnight.

Ah okay this is more an error on my quoting the article as opposed to the title. I tried to write my title in relation to the entire wikipedia article but I see I overquoted from the stampede section which makes it seem like it’s only talking about stampedes and not crowd events in general.

One quote from the article that lets me paraphrase in more certain terms than what you provided is in the leading paragraphs “Such incidents are invariably the product of organizational failures, and most major crowd disasters could have been prevented by simple crowd management strategies.[4]”

Could you suggest a better wording that fits into the word limit? I had great trouble fiting the gist of the point within the character limit (I’ve only got two characters left). And had to remove a “might” and “usually” to be able to fit it all in.

I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything really. Just trying to share something I learnt on wikipedia and help lemmy feel more full. But I’m aware I can never make everyone happy.

Unfortunately at that point if you try to move you can risk a crowd collapse which can be just as deadly. So you should be real careful about knocking people off their balance if you try to move around.

Perhaps I should have included this quote from tne article too?

most major crowd disasters can be prevented by simple crowd management strategies.[22] Crushes can be prevented by organization and traffic control, such as barriers.

This is talking about the cause I think. Panic can worsen the situation, but it almost never is the cause. And the panic is nearly universally justified.

The most recent US based example might be Astroworld. And there 10 people died right in front of the concert stage while the thing kept going on. Entire groups of people yelled “stop the show” and climbed up trees and fences to make space. Someone even made it up the TV operator tower and was pleading the operator to notify the authorities people were dying but was completely ignored.

Unless you download the pdf/epub off a very legal website. And only buy the books of small authors you want to support.

This reminds me the other month I was reading studies in a dodgy medical journal and one said it “disproved” wheat allergy. When I looked in the funding section, well you had a lot of bread companies.

VT. Don’t gamble on single stocks. But since capitalism rules and all of congress owns stocks, you can be fairly confident the market will go up in the long term 10+ years horizon. And compound interest does miracles.

That’s not the point I was making. Just that the wheelchair ramp comparison doesn’t work.

Yes definitely for hard of hearing and hard of sight people it can be an accessibility issue. I’m mostly deaf myself.

But comparing the situation for abled people in the way it was above doesn’t really work.