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Didn’t know that “owls, hawks, falcons, snakes, skunks, etc.” all live inside of buildings.

Adult bobcats are also 2-3 times as big as adult domestic cats.

Bobcats generally weigh between 15 and 30 pounds. Males are larger than the females. Their body length is 20 to 50 inches.
Source: https://www.desertmuseum.org/kids/oz/long-fact-sheets/Bob-cat.php?print=y

Most domestic cats should weigh about 10 pounds, though that can vary by breed and frame. A Siamese cat may weigh as few as 5 pounds, while a Maine Coon can be 25 pounds and healthy.
Source: https://www.webmd.com/pets/cats/features/healthy-weight-for-your-cat

So depending on the cat breed… virtually no difference at all. The larger of the 2 cats that we feed (shed cat, remember “feral”)… is 20-22 pounds (the smaller brother is 16-17 lbs). He is just as heavy as an average bobcat. Though admittedly less “stocky”. But my point is that they’re similar, “virtually the same” or “barely different”. I never claimed 1:1. But if they’re 99% the same… then it’s the same. Marginally larger is not sufficient argument that they’re different. Bob cats are not like mountain lions. They’re not “huge”.

Domestic cats tend to live in colonies and do in fact decimate bird populations.

Check the graph of your own source…https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380/figures/2 It shows that normal owned domestic cats are not the issue, which is exactly what the comic is pointing “fun” at. The “owner” that feeds the cat and lets them outside from time to time are nowhere near the problem. You’re context switching between “Feral” and owned and claiming that everything is bad when it’s only one category or the other. This is literal bad faith argument.

Further… No, domestic cats don’t “tend” to live in colonies. They only do so only due to food issues and will arguably NEVER create social group unless it’s required.

Feral cats (cats which live without help from man) can and will form small colonies based around available food sources. This does not inevitably happen […] However, they develop neither a social survival strategy nor a pack mentality and they continue to be solitary hunters. Thus cats are not ‘pack’ animals but have the ability to adapt to form social groups.
source: https://icatcare.org/advice/the-social-structure-of-cat-life/

Cats are wildly solitary… even domestic ones (even the ones that form prides!). There’s a reason why it’s a pain in the ass to get them to get along when you get a new kitten in the house. And even then they never really get along… More accurately just tolerating each other. The only cats I’ve ever seen truly “get along” are siblings from the same litter… And even then it looks more like a “we tolerate each other a lot” more than proactively working together as a pack/colony.

Bobcats breed less frequently (usually once, but sometimes twice a year) whereas domestic cats tend to have more than one litter a year (1.4 on average)

I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news… But 1.4 is between 1 and sometimes 2 a year. No idea where you’re getting this stat from, but the way you present it… you’ve basically presented the same exact number twice, in two different ways and claimed that it’s different. If “1 to sometimes 2 times” actually means 1.2 as an average… 1.2 and 1.4 isn’t that far apart.

The thing is, you don’t get feral cats without people letting their unfixed house cats roam free.

Cool. Then this comic doesn’t apply to a very large subset of owners who do the right thing and virtually all cats that make it to any human system at all. Now you can fuck off with pushing it onto everyone which is what OP is doing in half of their posts in this thread. Especially since non-altered cats tend to do shit like spray. If that cat is EVER indoors, they’re probably fixed. That makes the comic fucking stupid. It makes the OP a jackass for targeting a group of people who aren’t the problem. And makes you an accomplice for shilling it as well by conflating the two groups of problem as if they’re the same. Domestic cats that are indoor pets are not the problem… even when they go outside. It’s the feral cats… which has nothing to do with the guy portrayed in the comic.

Where did I say that? Felis catus aka the domestic cat would not be in North America.

Domestic cats are BARELY different from Bobcats… which are indeed native. Correct without humans cats as we specifically know them wouldn’t exist. But other cats do exist. They are native.

Same can be said for mice though… mice as they exist in large cities wouldn’t exist as they are now without human interaction. Are they now invasive and non-native? We don’t tend to think of it that way. But it’s just as accurate as cats are here…

They hunt rabbits (and other rodents) and medium to large birds. Domestic cats hunt small rodents and birds, but live in much smaller areas with much higher numbers packed into that small area.

This is simply a size thing… Juvenile Bobcats act more or less exactly like domestic cats in this respect.

I don’t think anyone saying you should not let your cats outside is saying anything besides that.

And yet… OP is in the thread judging everyone for ANY cat being outside Not talking about “feral” at all and specifically goes out of their way to include ALL domestic cats period. So yes… there are people out there claiming much more than that.

Edit: Keep in mind the thread’s title is “Indoor/Outdoor Cats”… So definitionally NOT the feral cats you’re talking about.

Agreed. The “feral” (shed cats) that we take care of (and fixed)… They’ve killed all of maybe 12 animals in the past 8 years that we know of (maybe 10x that for shit they’ve killed that we didn’t know about). The correct answer is that number would be thousands of critters… but isn’t because we give them cat food that’s available to them at will. It also stops them from roaming outside of the “local” area.

The large population of cats together can do a bunch of damage. Feral cats likely do a hell of a lot damage. But claiming that letting a single cat be outside is the end of the world for the local critters is crazy.

i guess, if you enjoy being a menace to your local ecology. Then go off, king.

The guy mentions “destruction of the local mouse population” and this is your answer? So you think those mice are native? They’d exist if humans weren’t here?

They are the same issue as cats… They’re only here and only thriving because we accidentally give them too much safety/places to live/food. They would also be invasive.

In their native habitat, not in North America

So you think that mountain lions, cougars, pumas, etc… never existed in the Americas? You think that there are NO native cat populations here at all? Shit man… The bob cat I found under my trailer in my back yard must have been a figment of my imagination.

While “domestic” cats are invasive… Cats exist literally in EVERY STATE I’VE EVER LIVED IN. (New York, AZ, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia.) And I’ve SEEN native cats in literally EVERY one of those states.

The actual problem here isn’t the “native-ness” of “domestic” cats… but that their population is inflated because we cater to them and create what amount to an unlimited food supply for them. “domestic” cats are barely domesticated.

Edit: And because I know it’s going to happen. No… I don’t have “indoor” cats. I do feed the “shed cats” (feral-ish). Which should actually stop them from eating wildlife… or at least stop it significantly. They are friendly with us… Not with much of anyone else. I actually don’t really agree with having animals in the house at all… I just find the premise that cats wouldn’t exist here as quite a silly concept.

Edit2: and the ones we take “care” of are fixed.

Forget for a second that your original premise is basically completely wrong… You realize how fucking massive the USA is right? Based on the smugness I have to assume you’re European. The USA is effectively the same size as your whole continent. The country is the size of your continent. Let that sink in. And unlike the Continent of Europe… Much of the middle of the continent has no notable landmarks on many maps.

Most people can absolutely give you the general area they live if you put a map of the USA in front of them. They may be off by a bit, but that’s simply a function of how massive the scale of the map is you put in front of them.

But they don’t get as much use here

You should clarify “here” a bit more. In AZ tile roofs are EVERYWHERE.

We end up replacing the underlayment more often than the actual tiles… unless the specific type of tile is no longer made and too many cracked for whatever reason.

Why are you all getting your homes inspected?

Required by many mortgage companies when you buy a house, primarily so they know that you care about paying the mortgage. If you buy a house and it turns out the foundation is completely falling apart and a wall falls down… you might just skip your mortgage and now the bank repossess a shitty house they lost money on. Also just a good thing to do overall before you purchase a house.

Edit: It’s used primarily on the buyers side of the transaction prior to the actual purchase to validate the house is in good shape… Or oftentime to identify issues with the house that can be used to negotiate on the price a bit. Eg… someone is asking for 500k on a house and you found that the corner of the roof has some water staining on it (probably needs to be looked at). You can ask the Sellers to fix it, or negotiate the price down 2-3k based on the findings of the third part inspector.

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or invidious, grayjay, ytdl, etc…

It’s directly related. If it’s in Apple’s system… or M$'s systems… They get to control your passkeys (not you). Including arbitrarily locking you out for whatever reason they want. Including “oops our datacenter died”. Hell… case and point. I bought new pixel phones (GrapheneOS), Google store didn’t charge my card at all, a card that’s been associated with my account for at least 10 years now, they marked it as “Suspicious” and locked my entire google account. Talking to support… None of them can even see that my account is locked.

This is what “normal” people will get shoved into. This is not a win for any consumer. It’s a win for corporations. They get to see each request you make and use that metadata for themselves.

Most people will store in their ecosystem (Microsoft or Apple). Lose your device, recover via logging back into your service.

You’ll own nothing and be happy!

Nah. It would be easy and probably responsible for google to ban site’s that are malicious like that from poisoning their AI. I think the blame rests squarely on google.

Divorce and child custody agreements are two separate legal things and child custody agreements are thankfully not a matter of public record.

And yet I was able to pull my parents Divorce from decades ago and in those documents were details about who has rights to me… I think this is likely a state by state thing. Though my name was never directly mentioned.

Each one of these events is easily shown to have good merits for being public record. Even ignoring the obvious case of “we want to track what the police/courts were actually doing”.

Traffic accidents

Occurs in front of your property and cause some amount of damage to your stuff that officers didn’t outline in any reports. You want to be able to figure out who did it so you can send them the bill/sue them. Hiding these records doesn’t make sense. Other obvious uses would be to find out where someone went/is missing, eg if someone died.

traffic citations

You’re attempting to hire someone for a job, part of that job is some amount of driving. Being able to lookup if they have any record of driving poorly would be due diligence you’d expect a company to do. Hell getting into an Uber or Lyft… You might want to lookup your driver. You could be surprised.

bankruptcies

Hire someone to do something related to finances in your company? Or to file your taxes? Might want to actually double check they’re not idiots on their own dime either. Someone asks you for a loan, or any other financial related stuff. Records of them defaulting are important.

buying a house

Your dog ran up to me and bit me, then ran away. Being able to get the property details can be highly important.

getting divorced

Can trigger a number of things. If divorce has any kid related issues… and one parent no longer has rights to the child… Schools/doctors can validate that one parent no longer has those rights without just blindly trusting random documents one parent provides.

I’m just pointing out that the $300 on the original comment I replied to for ps plus is insane.

And you justify the value of it based on the 3 “free” games a month. To which I’m arguing against. $80 a year for the life of the console will almost certainly be more than $300. With console generations lasting nearly 5 years on average each that’s actually $400 in subscriptions, keep in mind that generations have been getting longer, and seventh and eighth gen consoles lasted for 8 and 7 years respectively… So closer to $600 in cost.

I’m not justifying console vs PC.

But that’s the context of the whole thread…

positively moderated, optimized gaming experience

bwuahahahah. Sure. Cause console lobbies aren’t filled with kids screaming racial slurs. And it’s so positively moderated that all your data including credit cards leak (https://firewalltimes.com/sony-data-breach-timeline/).

How many people actually download and store those installers though?

… The hundreds of GOG-based torrents disagree with this sentiment. You don’t need EVERY person to store it. Just a handful of seedboxes can feed the world sort of thing…

Edit: But this does risk someone being malicious with the torrent of course…

You’re using the same amount of storage whether you buy games physically or digitally.

The difference being that you can load the content back onto the SSD at will, and regardless of server statuses… A lot of people have bandwidth caps or live in places with shit internet speeds.

Edit: I should clarify that I know some publishers only use the disc as a license of sorts with only a few MB of data… I’m wholly against this concept. Think publishers that don’t ship a working game on the disc should be barred from selling physical copies at all as it’s just landfill.

If we’re talking raw capabilities… Piracy is subscriptionless and grants you access to virtually 99% of all games from all time and across all consoles. I’m going to say that PC is the clear winner here…