I tested out revolt and element. Out of the two element seems to be the most well rounded. What do you people use to replace discord to protect your privacy?
If you just want group chat, Signal works well. It’s more suitable for smaller groups though, so YMMV.
Other than that, Matrix works well.
FluffyChat?
Is Matrix protocol too.
Yeah Matrix too mate.
Mumble + IRC or XMPP works well.
How do you set this up? Do you use two seperate apps or are there apps that integrate both?
Don’t many of the IRC servers expose your IP address and have bots that store every chat message?
For a foss project irc logs of channels are important makes irc into google able knowledge. For privacy, use matrix and encryption.
Some outdated ones do, but it is very easy to run your own modern IRC server that does none of that.
I was going to say: is IRC not still a thing?
Worth checking out for more privacy :
As much as I appreciate what SimpleX is doing, it’s a massive memory hog on Android - 120mb all the time.
I do look forward to seeing it mature though, I think that will improve, along with device linking.
Oh no ! In the age where everyone and their cat has atleast 32 gigs simplex is using my 120 mb whatever shall we do ?faints
Yeah I’m also not getting it tbh, got shit load of RAM that’s unused anyways
My current stats:
Molly: 445 Schildichat: 218
SimpleX doesn’t sound so bad in regards to memory
Matrix like you. Most foss projects are in matrix as well. Matrix call is awesome.
There isn’t a 1:1 app for Discord imo.
Selfhosting a teamspeak3 (ts3) server solves the voicechat.
Signal works great for text chats especially now that you don’t need to give other end users your phone number.
Then I would probably look at hosting a web forum for adding calendars and other planning tools. There should still be possible to show current ts3 users on that site too.
For open source projects codeberg for code repository/issues/feedback.
I completely understand those who use Discord for ease of management, as time taken to host the above is time taken from the actual project.Mumble would be better for VC than TeamSpeak, in my humble opinion.
In your Mumble opinion*
Yea that is kinda what I have been noticing aswell. I don’t want perfect privacy like hiding my phone number with signal.
I just want to talk with my friends, share my screen and have text channels without being harvested for data :)
Element has all of this, the only problem I encountered is that everyones mic is suddely quite noisy as we are used to using discord’s noice suppression. I gues you have to sacrifice something for privacy. And I heard it can be quite a pain to self host, but I still have to try that out myself
Elements first self hosted tier is Enterprise at a minimum of 100 users with a cost of $10/month per user.
I would rather look at selfhosting Synapse as it’s the only Stable Matrix Homeserver release at the moment.
https://github.com/element-hq/synapse
https://matrix.org/ecosystem/servers/Thank you I’ll try it out :)
If you’re looking to rent a matrix server, I highly recommend etke. Faily cheep for what they offer and great support. As far as your concerns for noise suppression, the best workaround atm is to use Nvidia RTX Voice and AMD’s Noise Suppression features. At least until Element either builds in their AI noise suppression, or adds PTT.
What are the privacy issues with Discord? I honestly hate its format, but I need it for Midjourney.
Can’t use it because they want my phone number for login but say it’s invalid. 🤪
To keep it short, there isn’t really any privacy.
Servers are public and Private messages are stored without any envryption. If you delete your account then the messages stay and can still be found with your unique ID (just like Reddit). From what ive read Discord also stores your HWIDs and monitors your running processes (with a valid reason considering their game integration). Some say they only store that locally, others claim something else, haven’t seen any proof for either side so far.
The problem really boils down to the fact that people treat discord as a private messenger instead of a public forum despite it clearly beeing the latter.
amen
All fair points but some can be avoided by running discord in browser
Removed by mod
use xmpp
Element is not a solution, it is a client. Matrix is the protocol. Discord happens to provide both in a spectacularly privacy disrespecting way imo.
I know of two chat protocols which are quite popular: matrix and xmpp. Matrix seems to be the more flashy but also more energy consuming part. Xmpp is very old and apparently has been EEEd by google at some point which is the whole reason matrix exists imo.
As clients go, you can use one of dozens of them, each different. Element (and element x) are made by people who also are involved with matrix but run a for profit company as well so beware. They also make contributors sign away their rights if they ever wanted to take element closed source which is a red flag.
I mostly use fluffychat which isnt perfect but works very well imo. I also have bridges on my matrix server (i use synapse) which connect whatsapp, signal and discord for the folks who dont want to switch over but want to talk to me. This makes is convenient for me and I still have encryption and control over my data in the pure matrix chats.
I cant comment on running xmpp bc no experience but reports say its very fast. Running your own matrix server or using a known host means you have no ads, no tracking, e2ee and you will likely always know where your data goes.
Thanks for reading and have a good one.
Pretty much just matrix and revolt, armcord is a good client to use discord if you just need to use discord but eh
I’ve used Revolt before. It’s very similar to Discord superficially, but lacks a lot of features. Even though it’s more similar to slack, I’ve found Mattermost to have more feature parity.
Can you create voice rooms in mattermost?
Spacebar is supposed to be a 1 to 1 discord alternative
How do we know that these solutions are more private than Discord?
Even if open source, how do we know the compiled version wasn’t altered?
You can always compile from scratch, compare the checksums or use the version you compiled. In projects this large people usually do this, and there’s a certain level of trust that these checks have been performed.
Yup. If you’re paranoid, you can self-host and watch network traffic to ensure things are encrypted when they’re supposed to be.
Sure but how do you know those encrypted requests don’t contain personal or unexpected information?
There is guilded.gg as well but I don’t know if it’s better for privacy.
Guilded is owned by Roblox Corporation last I checked, a company that promotes getting children addicted to stock market gambling, taking advantage of young child developers, and a platform that doesn’t respect your privacy in the slightest, asking for ID just to use voice chat (because of their major pedo problem).
So I probably wouldn’t use Guilded
And Roblox Corporation is owned by Tencent Holdings which also owns Discord.
