• wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          2 months ago

          On a legal level, it is how GOG works. They still only sell licenses. You just have the loophole that their installers and the games installed by them will work regardless.

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            2 months ago

            While that may be partly true, (also likely) depending on the county you’re located, they’re not able to revoke the license though.

            So in this specific case you having the files makes a world of difference.

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                1 month ago

                Err… You often don’t have the files drm free on Steam. Nor in an installable format (without steam).

                Anyhow. Seeing the down votes I’d love for some to elaborate.

                Otherwise it just looks like some rampant steam fanboys.

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                  1 month ago

                  This is what you said:

                  While that may be partly true, (also likely) depending on the county you’re located, they’re not able to revoke the license though.

                  The same is true for Steam, laws are laws

                  So in this specific case you having the files makes a world of difference.

                  You also have the files if you downloaded them on Steam. What’s important is whether those files can be used on their own or if they’re protected by some form of DRM. If the files can be used on their own it doesn’t matter if you got them from Steam, GoG or a physical disc. If on the other hand the files are DRM protected you having them is useless, whoever controls the DRM controls your files, again regardless of where you got the files from.

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                  1 month ago

                  Also I forgot to reply to this on the other answer, but:

                  Err… You often don’t have the files drm free on Steam. Nor in an installable format (without steam).

                  Often you do, and an installer is nothing more than a fancy zipped folder. Also people usually like to compare Steam with GoG and claim that on GoG you get DRM free games and not on Steam, that is not true, both have either, although GoG has percentually more it’s still not 100% DRM free (nor is Steam 100% DRMd), it’s always up to the game developers.

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    what’s old is new again! they tried to pull this shit back in the day but physical media was the only delivery method. now that everything is downloaded there’s a bunch of legal grey area they’re hiding in.

    so the next question, is this retroactive? if so, then when will I get my money back? Licensed software is cheaper than the full MSRP I paid for titles that had physical options I could have bought at a store. this is because licensed software usually has an expiration date while physical media with software can be installed anytime after purchase.

    so, Valve, one last question.

    where is it huh?!

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      yeah no, this is just fixing the wording to better represent the truth that has always been.

      this is because a California law recently passed requiring these kinds of purchases to inform consumers that they don’t actually own these games. valve decided it would be easier just to do this for everyone.

      this has always been true for all digital games you purchased. the fact that you didn’t realize this is why the law was needed.

      thanks California for being the only force fighting for consumers rights in the United States. i can see why conservatives give you so much shit. you do things that matter.

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    The answer is to introduce law which would force digital products to be owned, not licenced for non commercial users.

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      I think the answer was to introduce a law which would force digital market places to clearly describe what users are paying for, for folks who weren’t around during the controversial time when Steam and Xbox Live Arcade came out and can’t grasp the concept; folks who didn’t observe the reality before and after this shift.

      Even though it was abundantly clear already, this is what the California law is all about.

      If, with this clear explanation, you still want to merely get a license to use games via a service, you should be able to do it.

      Valve isn’t doing anything wrong: far from it. Steam is awesome and I understand that one day, it could all go away and with it, all the games I have access to.

      I also understand that, at any time, Valve may decide that they don’t want me to use Steam anymore, or that someone may hack into my account and I won’t have access anymore.

      Finally, I get that even now, things that I could do with physical games; I can’t do with my Steam library (eg. Easily play a game on my Steam Deck while someone also plays another game on my desktop, or sell a game disc that sits on my desk).

      I understood this when I reluctantly signed up to Steam to play Half Life 2 back in the day when it was a complete dumpster fire of a buggy mess of a service. But it has improved so much since then.

      Hey, do you, but I don’t see what the big deal is. We’ve already protested that Steam was a bad idea, and Valve was literally the devil, but it’s actually turned out to be objectively more convenient than any alternative to play games, and it’s no longer Valve forcing us to install Steam to play their games. Practically the entire industry has shifted, plus there are now alternatives (besides piracy) like GoG. Hopefully this law causes more competition in that DRM free space.

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      What exactly would that entail? I “own” Hades, thus I can depict Zagreus in my own works, as his likeness is my property? I’m allowed to copy the game to a dozen thumb drives and sell them on the street?