A very cool write-up and breakdown of Signal’s expenses

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      This is consipiracism-adjacent.

      It’s E2E encryption and the source code is public. Uniquely, the E2EE includes the social graph.

      They’ve got money from a bunch of people and organizations, That’s also all public. As for any organization, to have a wide variety of stakeholders with different interests is the best possible guarantee of independent.

      But I agree that the ideal destination is to fully federate the protocol.

      • The client source code is public the messages are fine but the metadata is whats just as valuable. They do have an implementation of sealed sender but ive heard people say its not perfect against if the signal servers where malicious (btw said servers are not open source).

        $1 from the cia funding it is $1 too much.

        They could kill all the conspiracy theories instantly by federating and said theories will kill people adopting it. The longer they take the more sus it gets.

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          ive heard people say

          So, literal hearsay.

          its not perfect against if the signal servers where malicious (btw said servers are not open source).

          The server is centralized so it’s irrelevant whether it’s open source or not, we have no means of checking.

          $1 from the cia funding it is $1 too much.

          Seems you’re referring to initial funding from the Open Technology Fund. That’s a US government body that promotes technologies that undermine authoritarian regimes. Signal fits the bill perfectly. In any case that was a decade ago. Since then there has been far more money from various do-gooding individuals and foundations. In particular the Freedom of the Press Foundation, which (I just checked) is vouched for by various whistleblowers including Edward Snowden. So, hardly a stooge of US imperialism.

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          Or you could dev up your own perfect solution and show them how easy it is to get funding to do it, show us all

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        The point was not in the e2e aspect though, but rather in the metadata since everything goes through the same place.

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          Yes but the difference with every other messenger is that they can’t even see who your message is going to. Due to E2E encryption of contact data.

          What remains is the phone number issue. Verifying a phone number is by far the simplest and most effective way to prevent abuse, which is obviously a major issue with any messenger. There’s no reason to disbelieve them when they this is the reason for it.

          So: yes, they know who their users are individually. But they cannot know who is talking to who, let alone what is being said.