Dear god, no. This is an abjectly terrible idea. Dems aren’t going to win until they stop being the other party of billionaires who are centre-right at best yet claiming to be for the working man. Come on, learn something from this election. We want a Sanders or AOC, not this milquetoast rejection of the full scope of the Overton window.
This is going to be a crazy four years, and to suggest we come out on the other side wanting a return to the same bullshit that held wages and lifestyles back for, by then, 50 years, is a failure to read the room. No one wants what the Democratic party currently offers, and I don’t see her suddenly becoming progressive. We don’t need another president on the cusp of getting Social Security when elected.
We want that for ourselves after paying into the system for so long, but that’s not going to happen. Find a new standard-bearer or die. Learn. Adapt. Run on real change, not the incremental shit that was resoundingly rejected and so generously provided us with the shitshow we’re about to endure. Voters stay home when you do that, and here we are.
I mean, how many CEOs need to be killed before anyone gets the message that what they’re offering has the current panache of liver and onions? Doesn’t matter how well it’s prepared; the world has moved on, and whoever gets the nomination in '28 needs to as well. Harris is not that candidate.
It’s pretty clear to me that a woman can’t win. As a woman myself it makes me angry, but there is just too much misogyny out there and I think n a less qualified man cough Joe Biden cough an beat Trump where a more qualified women like Hilary can’t.
(I’m not saying Hilary or Kamala is my choiceor that I like them, only that they were better candidates than Biden)
To be honest I don’t think Harris lost for that. Palestine and appearing as a corporate candidate screwed her. Maybe she could’ve limped by but she just made herself the establishment against an anti establishment candidate didn’t work. They really tried to run on nothing is gonna change and we’ll still bomb the brown kids. And if liberals can’t make change, they won’t go to vote
Holy fuck nty. Anyone noticed how invisible she’s been the election? Not really a galvanizing, new generation defining leader. Just another ambitious party member playing her role. Make room for someone who will do better for us.
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Don’t.
I like OP’s opinions because we’re roughly aligned toward the same political ideals but he’s just a touch more invested and less cynical.
Less cynical? That’s my first laugh of the day. 🤣 With apologies to Humperdinck, try running a newsroom sometime.
More CEO’s will die until moral improves.
Morals are inconsistent with capitalism. Morale, on the other hand … well, it’s not high.
I am not from the US but always felt the world would be so different if Bernie was up against Trump instead of Hilary.
Is there a younger member of the Democratic party with a similar vibe to Bernie?
Yes. AOC.
Nah. I was optimistic for her at first too, but she’s been a disappointment really. I would say at a minimum she has gotten less radical with time, and votes like the rest of the neoliberals in the party.
Maybe I have rose-tinted glasses. What’s recently changed? (I’ve not been in a newsroom for far too long.)
Recently? Her vote in favor of a bullshit definition of antisemitism, and I saw an article yesterday about her pledging to change her ‘rebel ways’ to fit in better with the dem party line (meaning no longer support primary challenges to incumbents)-- and then Pelosi passed her over in favor of another decrepit dinosaur for a spot on the oversight committee.
She will run into the same problems as Clinton. The right has spent a decade attacking her at every opportunity so that she is a polarizing figure, whether she deserves it or not.
You might be right but it’s worth a shot. I’m not sure who we’ve got that’s a better option at this point.
Tim Walz? I mean, he’s another old white man but he is fairly progressive and he won’t quite be at retirement age yet by next election. Plus people loved him and what he had to say before the Harris campaign started muzzling him.
Maybe. I don’t know a ton about the guy. He had a few zingers but not sure what his background is and whether he’s authentic or not. I didn’t investigate him much because VP barely matters but if he runs then I will.
As someone from mn (where walz has been governor for a while now) I can assure you that he’s awesome. The only thing that concerns me about him is that hes been awfully quiet about Israel’s genocide so I don’t really know where he stands on that. Otherwise though he’s amazing.
He owns no stocks and no real assets to speak of. He lives exclusively in the govenors house and is relying on his state pension for retirement. He has passed legislation enshrining abortion rights in mn, blocking corporations from buying single family homes, providing free school lunches to all students, and funding college access for everyone state wide. In his free time he likes hunting, fishing, and working on his old 1979 International Harvester Scout Truck. When he fucked up durring his response to the George Floyd protests he immediately admited that he fucked up and vowed to do better next time. Durring covid he repeatedly chewed people out on both sides of the aisle for politicizing the pandemic while enacting common sense laws about it. Honestly I can’t think of a single thing he has done that I disagree with other than his response to the George Floyd protest which even he admits was wrong.
I am rabbid for this man. He would be a damn nice president. My only regret would be that if he became president then he wouldn’t be my state govenor any more.
Thanks for sharing, that does sound good. I really wish people would take a stand on Palestine though. That might be enough for me to vote for someone else alone if there is another option. We’ll see. It’s gonna be a long 4 years before we really dive into this stuff. I don’t want to fear-monger but there is a real chance the next election will be subject to major interference.
I think it’s more important to focus on organizing resistance to the new administration right now.
Didn’t learn the first time around, huh?
Everyone has 4 years to learn, including you. What/who is your viable alternative?
Apparently the Democratic moto is: “We are shocked and deviated by this turn of events and we will learn absolutely nothing from this.”
Thoughts and prayers.
the most plausible explanation I’ve seen so far - credit to this post (from one of the hosts of the 5-4 podcast) where I saw it first:
my suspicion is that Kamala is floating a CA governor run or 2028 run not because she thinks she has a chance but because it will help convince wealthy donors that it’s still worth buying influence with her and thus help her fundraise to pay off her campaign’s debts
but also Kamala ending up as the nominee wouldn’t surprise me. if it’s not her, there’ll be a different “establishment” Democratic candidate that the DNC puts their thumb on the scale for. 2028 seems likely to be yet another “this is the most important election of our lives, it’s crucial to the future of the country that you vote for whichever Democrat we tell you to vote for, now shut the fuck up and stop complaining”.
Didn’t she run basically the most well funded campaign ever? How is there still campaign debt?
Yeah, this is what I’m resigned to. Which is pretty much Trump-lite: No structural change, just nibbles around the edges. Great for cunnilingus, not politics.
And the ratchet clicks like three full rotations
Or you could learn any kind of lesson at all and run a candidate that’s actually worth being enthusiastic about instead of a centrist who’s still going to be seen as the second coming of Stalin by the right.
I’m sure several democrats will run?
youre right, but choose a candidate because theyre good, not someone based on how the right will respond. Literally any candidate is going to be portrayed as Stalin by the right.
I said that because they’re picking centrist candidates as a fig leaf that’s just going to get shit on anyway. It’s time to start putting actual leftists in office, not only because they should be there but because this “strategy” of trying to bridge the gap with modern day McCarthiests is stupid.
I agree completely
Yeah, I think they just want to lose at this point. Maybe that was always the point.
I don’t care who is in the primary but we need to get rid of the superdelegates
After 2016, the DNC already halved their influence. I’d argue they are a necessary evil to prevent various scenarios where bad actors try to hijack a primary.
But more generally, the entire point of a political party is to express political preferences via a platform, and to back candidates which support that platform. I don’t really understand this idea otherwise… if a dozen Republicans decided to run as democrats to “troll” the primary, you’d want the party to step in, right?
In 2008 Obama was the outsider candidate but he was actually popular enough that the party had no choice but to back him in the end. That’s how the process is supposed to work.
its always going to be an issue though because its not as democratic. If the trolling thing were so easy the democrats have more ability to do that and it does not happen. What would be great is if the party went to an auto runoff / ranked choice for primaries.
RCV is the only solution. But guess who has to approve that?
for primaries the parties setup their ballots. It should just be a matter for the democratic commitee doing it.
We do not need Sanders or AOC, they are both party sheepdogs whose sole function is to keep disenfranchised voters rounded up in the party with the illusion of they stick around long enough they will have a seat at the table.
Correct. Doesn’t mean Sanders was wrong or couldn’t have wide appeal. Dude’s a fucking independent. So, no financial backing. Follow the money, said everyone, especially W. Mark Felt. He had the opportunity to speak to the working class in the general, and we simply couldn’t have that. What was he supposed to do? Run in the GOP primary or be as rich as Perot?
This, like the Democratic party for the last few decades, is a bad joke.
What pisses me off the most is that I didn’t even get to explain it. It’s always funnier that way.
hahahaha! god their even more stupid than I thought. maybe they should go look for other candidates. Seems like half the country doesn’t want a women as president. They sure as heck don’t want a person of color either.
Nah, the bigot vote isn’t nearly as important as the fact that people are sick of establishment politicians. People want change and they see that in Trump but not in Harris.
I don’t think that’s the reason. He’s already served as president and his kid is the RNC co-chair. He is the immediate family of the co-chair of the republican establishment.
I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, but does the average American voter see it this way, or do they judge him based on his demeanor and the things he says?
Gender or race had nothing to do with her losing, she’s a right wing POS posing as a progressive
Alternate take: She was told to move to the right by advisors. Politics is nasty business.
Her pattern this campaign was the same as her pattern in the primary, start out as a mainstream progressive talking about changing the system and fighting Republicans, then after getting phone calls from donors and listening to establishment advisors abandon it all for overly restrictive benefit programs and empty words. Almost every time she said something good she’d walk it back over the next week.
This doesn’t mean she should try again but finally buck her advisors and be her true self. Her deference to the sensibilities of rich donors is part of who she is.
Cops are always right wing
and AGs are not cops. Stop repeating the propaganda designed for morons to repeat ad nauseum
She locked up people, she was a fucking cop
You have quite the hole in your understanding of how this system works. No.
No
The editor in me has so much to say about that.
