Is anyone actually surprised by this?
This “China’s AI is taking your data and that’s bad” is shockingly similar to “TikTok is taking your data and that’s bad”. Lots of US counterparts do the same thing, but I don’t see (as much) media coverage about that.
Don Draper: “no no no, everyone else’s cigarettes are dangerous. Lucky Strikes are… toasted.”
The way I think of it is, I don’t live in China, so regardless of my objections to their values or human rights abuses, why would CCP or an affiliated company care about me or ruin my life on the basis of or by abusing my data? A big part of why I care about privacy is I don’t want to be filtering my every thought through consideration of whether the powers that be would approve, and US companies are way more relevant to that.
Sell to the highest bidder
These the excuses you start to make when you’re losing. Not looking great for the US…
When you don’t understand how a web app works. 🤦
Does TikTok access my wifi network? 😤
Ok, so they’ll ban it under that guise to appease US companys, same as TikTok. I really didn’t care about TikTok since it’s all brain rot to me but this might actually be a tool I’ll use if it’s as efficient as they say.
Good thing I can run it locally, I guess.
Nope, At least we can check DeepSeek’s source code
Unlike OpenAI… oops I meant ClosedAI
This make the news only because it’s going to chinese servers. Didn’t see anything like that about ChatGPT or the one made by Google.
I run it locally on a 4080, how do they capture my keystrokes?
No idea, have you monitored the package / container for network activity?
Perhaps this refers to other clients not running the model locally.
Yea, I am looking for a deep analysis of this as well
It doesn’t. They run using stuff like Ollama or other LLM tools, all of the hobbyist ones are open source. All the model is is the inputs, node weights and connections, and outputs.
LLMs, or neural nets at large, are kind of a “black box” but there’s no actual code that gets executed from the model when you run them, it’s just processed by the host software based on the rules for how these work. The “black box” part is mostly because these are so complex we don’t actually know exactly what it is doing or how it output answers, only that it works to a degree. It’s a digital representation of analog brains.
People have also been doing a ton of hacking at it, retraining, and other modifications that would show anything like that if it could exist.
Are you running a quantized model or one of the distilled ones?
Yeah, uh… If you think that American companies aren’t doing this same thing and handing your data over to the government without a warrant among other bad uses, I have some bad news for you. This is pretty much par for the course, and I’m pretty sure that we’re witnessing a well financed negative media blitz happening to try and keep OpenAI from getting all of its spaghetti spilled. Watch for the government to try and ban deepseek for “national security” reasons soon.
Not gonna happen. Someone in China gave to Trump’s inauguration fund, so nothing’s getting banned.
Oh yeah and ChatGPT doesn’t
This is why you run stuff locally or not at all.
US and the west: … Spying is not acceptable! … except if our companies are doing it
Bootlickers downvoting
When my daddy abuses me that’s love 🤡
This is probably only a problem with the online version. In contrast to google and openAI they, like meta, let you download the model and run it offline, where they can’t access any of this data I presume.
Right, the offline version (if you have the hardware to run it) is completely under your control, and no one can take that away from you. Honestly nice to see that happen, I thought it would take several years.
I’ve been running it locally using ollama, works completely offline, no keystroke data for anyone!
Yeah I scan logs and so far nothing… I still don’t trust them but I can’t tell shit either
Just use little snitch, open snitch or simple wall depending on your operating system and block the outbound connection if one ever occurs
portmaster?
I heard about little snitch, is there any benefit to it v portmaster in your opinion, off the cuff type thing?
Oh little snitch was just what I used when macOS was my main operating system. When I switched to windows I started using simple wall and I just recently was poking around for a Linux solution and I found open snitch
Anyone using DeepSeek as a service the same way proprietary LLMs like ChatGPT are used is missing the point. The game-changer isn’t that the Chinese company DeepSeek can compete with OpenAI and its ilk as an AI service provider—it’s that now any organization with a few million dollars to train and host their own model can compete with OpenAI.
I’d like to look into that, how can I train an existing model further?
I’m only playing around with ollama, but like to do a bit more - mostly just to fulfill my needs to understand things - but have no idea where to start
You’re going to have to learn python.
Here’s a good overview: https://huggingface.co/docs/transformers/training
Python is not a problem
SW Dev is my job. Just never had real contact with AI before, besides playing around a bit.Thank you very much for the link!!
Edit: thank you very much again, that was pretty much exactly what I was looking for.
Don’t know how I missed to checkout huggingface. Thought of it always just as a github for models and didn’t bother checking for docs…
But that’s a great intro with simple tools/tutorials to get a grip on it, thanks!
Or open source groups can make a fully open repro of it: https://github.com/huggingface/open-r1
On-prem vs. Cloud, basically. On-prem just magically got cheaper.
Onprem has always been cheaper. Cloud compute was the most successful marketing campaign I can think of.
Cool. I’d rather China have it than some American megacorp.
I trust China more.
Lol
I trust China more
I get not bootlicking American daddies but why would you bootlick a hostile foreign actor?!
“I get not bootlicking America, so long as you still accept that America is better than everyone else”
You are clearly new around here lol
I want them to win. And they will. Short of global nuclear war they can’t lose. Venture capital can’t even dream of competing with central planning. Not even a question.
🤡
Which one to trust more is at least debatable. In the end, neither can be trusted.
It’s not really trust. It’s more like hate. I hate this country. I hate what it’s turned into. I hate the oligarchy. I hate the captured politicians. I hate that the supposed opposition to actual fascists is a bunch of whinging cunts who’s primary concerns are about rules and norms. I hate that we are everything our propaganda told us about the rest of the world. I hate that our entire economic system is just a jenga stack of pyramid schemes.
We are a failed state. And if what I type on my phone helps our geopolitical “adversaries” get even 1 human hairs worth of advantage on this shithole then I’ll give it gladly.
This is interesting. It looks like the USA is turning into China, but the hate of that there’s a turning makes China look more appealing?
That doesn’t make any sense, though. The PRC has a Socialist Market Economy, while the US is diving into Neoliberalism and austerity, and relies on Financial Capital (and Imperialism, by extension) while China relies on Industrial Capital.
I don’t see this as the USA turning into China. China has many problematic aspects, and being an immigrant or an LGBTQ+ person in China is probably not fun, but China at this point is less stupid and understands competitiveness. China would not defund all its science overnight, hamstring its technology and trash its whole economy with tariffs on goods it cannot produce domestically, withdraw vaccines in the face of new epidemics, and cancel sustainable energy projects and funding while denying climate science. The new US Government is just shooting the country in the foot again and again.
Sees America doing American things in an extremely American way:
“What are we, a bunch of Asians!”
Not surprised at all why would I? Don’t act like other AI services is privacy focused. It’s all same. THEY ALL COLLECT DATA.
But good thing about is deepseek is you can run locally unlike Closed AI Chat GPT. No need to use shitty app.
Time to make up a conspiracy about key leading figures, and laugh as they disappear each other.
