• FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website
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    They seem to be on the inertia as a strategy train. Most users won’t have heard about this so they’re not in danger of losing them. A few who have won’t abandon ship because it’s a pain. And the rest they seem to tolerate losing. That’s unfortunate, say I who isn’t even their customer. I would have thought they do more but maybe another two weeks of ended subscriptions can lead them to reason and get rid of Daniel.

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        If you want something European, I’d throw AirVPN in the mix. I went there and never to Mullvad. And now I’m glad I didn’t and at the same time I’m looking forward to hearing inevitably what corpses my current provider has in the cupboard.

        I dislike Proton, which I quit after the CEO praised 47 on his big tech regulation and before they handed the email account of some environmental activist over to the authorities, in France IIRC. They want to be your replacement for Google and keep pushing more services at obscure subscription levels at you. In terms of VPN, they were good though.

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          But the handing over data from a email account is not a choice for them its a legal requirement.

      • Mike Wooskey@lemmy.thewooskeys.com
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        The Hated One has a video explaining his take on what Mullvad has done, and he gives 2 good alternatives to Mullvad. He also has other videos comparing VPN services in terms of privacy. He’s very thorough.

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        There isn’t one with feature or operations parity and a similar history of success.

        If you are actually concerned for your safety or legal status or something then I wouldn’t switch from them.

        If you’re trying to accomplish something else there are good alternatives. Air for example is a great piracy vpn but I wouldn’t trust it for my own safety.

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    Gee, I wonder what the far-right thinks about letting leftists speak freely?

    The conflation between a chud using mullvad vs using the profits from mullvad to fund a political party… Tf

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    We have nurtured a culture of radical tolerance.

    Some people have nurtured a radical intolerance against funding right extremism.

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    Most predictable response ever. Some shite about the free market of ideas and some other shite about the need to engage with “ideas you personally dislike”.

    In other words, we should give fascists a seat at the table and hope we can debate them away. Been there done that, doesn’t work.

    I don’t expect a company to just condemn fascism completely unprompted. But in a situation like this, if you can’t even commit to taking action to ensure that a fascist party does not receive any of your funding again, then your mission isn’t worth shit.

    I’m sure that the people who would be forcibly “remigrated” by this particular political party would not feel very free from authority and surveillance.

  • katy ✨@piefed.blahaj.zone
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    even if you do believe in freedom of expression and information, why would you donate to a fascist group which have been using suppression of expression - either it is attacking immigrants, pushing age gate laws, or attacking trans rights - as their path to power?

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    Self-censorship out of fear is an even bigger dampener than direct censorship.

    Man, I hate having to think about the effects of my actions before I do something. It’s so much better to just do things, and then see if there are consequences.

    /s

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      Its easy, just let racism blind you and kick immigrants out of the working class.

      To be fair the 30 hour work week is a campaign promise from the real socialist parties in Sweden

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    It should be clear by now how the party donation relates to this. Mullvad does not condone it, nor condemn it.

    If they don’t condemn donating to Nazis then they’re Nazi’s. Pretty clear. Proton VPN it is.

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      They made is pretty clear that they think a broad coalition is necessary to support their cause of privacy.

      These purity politics are nothing but self-aggrandizement. It achieves nothing towards improving the conditions of the working class and if anything it’s actively harmful.

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        This isn’t purity politics. This is deciding you don’t like what someone is doing with money so you refuse to give them anymore.

        Also having Nazis in your “privacy coalition” makes about as much sense as a coyote being a guard dog for chickens.

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    We have nurtured a culture of radical tolerance. Even when some in our sphere of collaborators have advocated for actors and views that have personally and severely affected the founders and their family members, this has not stood in the way of cooperation.

    The leopards that ate other people’s faces will definitely not eat my face too

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      What are the odds that the others are closeted fascists as well? UK the kind

      we don’t agree with the right wingers but immigration is an issue and only they are addressing it, so I’ll keep to myself and not speak much

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    I have no problem, if the service gets used for things I don’t agree with (I will not know anyway). But I do have a problem when one of the founders I paid (with the money from my subscription) openly supports this kind of party. No hard feelings, but with that knowledge, I prefer to give my money to another VPN.

    Got my refund from Mullvad so I’m fine now.

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    There is no stance that Mullvad can take on this in order to make me want to stay with them, since this is not an abstract, philosophical matter. It’s simple: Daniel partially owns a pro profit company. I pay Daniel’s company some money. Daniel reaps - as he should - parts of the company’s revenue as wage (which is my money). Daniel uses that wage to fund whatever the hell he wants - as he should - with my money. I’m either fine with contributing to this or not. Period. I am not fine with it, so I’m flirting with IVPN.

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      Thought experiment time…

      part of the company’s revenue as wage

      How far down the chain does that count for you? If there was a VP, Manager, or Individual Contributor that took their (personal) wages and donated to a cause you didn’t like, would you still pull your money?

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        Good question! I guess it does matter that he’s a cofounder and CEO. I honestly don’t know how I would react if we were talking about an employee instead. I’d deliberate and make up my mind there and then. Which sheds light on the fact that the matter isn’t as black and white as my comment made it sound.

        Possibly off topic:

        I work within the criminal justice system and I believe cops are pigs, while I know for a fact that there are good people on the force too. I wouldn’t give up my current position just because another “lowly” employee is rotten.

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          It was something I didn’t have a good answer for either. I think ownership is a good criteria but then I was trying to figure out why it was to me. Since it’s passed to an individual, via salary, is it still “my money”?

          Amount could have something to do, but it’s possible for a highly paid IC to donate quite a bit.

          The one that is cut-and-dry for me is something like Chic-Fil-A. My money is going directly to their foundation, which is used against LGBTQ people, so that’s an immediate hard no.

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            He is providing that political party with over half of its income if I recall correctly.

            If Mullvad’s janitor were someone doing that and Mullvad refused to terminate them, I’d quit Mullvad.

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              If Mullvad’s janitor were someone doing that and Mullvad refused to terminate them, I’d quit Mullvad.

              It’s Swedish company, there(and probably in most of the world) it’s illegal to fire someone for such reason, worker’s rights and all that.

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                Then I’d quit them….

                Don’t fund the guy funding the white nationalist party. That’s rule 1 and we can sort the rest out later.

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                  How would you do it? There’s no way to “quit them” unless they want to quit themselves, it’s not the US. If you think you can fire them and pay some fines, that’s not the case, you’ll pay them fines AND will be required to rehire them. Like the only way is to shut down the whole company or make them a super sweet offer, both require giving them a lot of money.

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          It’s also the scale of the donation for me. He didn’t just make a donation the way you or I probably would - his donation accounted for 72% of the party’s entire income for 2025. So the money that Mullvad makes is now tied to the continued existence of the party, albeit indirectly.