We’re Happy, we smile 😀 We’re Surprised we go: 😯 We’re Angry we go: 😠

Why is it that we have the same physical reactions to emotions as humains, is it something physical, something coded in us, because, no matter where a person is born even if we don’t understand each other, we still react the same ways

  • PsychoNot@lemmy.world
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    We actually don’t have the same emotional expressions. The early studies on “universal” emotional expressions (joy, disgust etc) were extremely biased. The researches paid western actors to make facial expressions, took pictures of those expressions, then showed those pictures to various uncontacted / low contact tribes. However, the researches tended to ask the tribes what expression they saw repeatedly until they gave the answer the researches expected.

    Even smiling isn’t universal. Think about cultural differences between smiling even in modern day Russia. There’s evidence that smiling might have been an expression of joy but was deemed socially inappropriate in Ancient Rome.

    Emotional expressions in the brain differ between individuals and even differ within the same individual on separate occasions of the “same” emotion. Lisa Barrett has an excellent book on this topic: How Emotions are Made.

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      Smiling has been denigrated in lots of cultures but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a natural reflex. What it means is that the stuffy Roman aristocracy who left all the written records behind considered it undignified and beneath them - a sign of being common. Other cultures think smiling makes you look like an idiot. But even these cultures have an opinion about smiling so it seems to be present even though the culture works against it. This in fact suggests it is innately wired and not culturally learned.

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        western cultures use smiling to show friendliness and availability, etc. Russians feel it makes you look like an idiot, unsophisticated, childish, etc. Picture ‘keeping it gangster’, thats their world. it’s rough and dangerous and tragic.

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      I disagree with your conclusion. Sounds like a big generalizing leap from a study with clearly flawed methodology. If the tribes were low contact, couldn’t the repeated questioning have more to do with them not understanding what was being asked if them, rather than the facial expressions? Was there any effort to demonstrate that they were already effective at putting emotions into words? Doing a bad study doesnt mean the opposite is true. It means you have no info.

      Emotions are part of being human, and we express those emotions in similar subtle ways. We also have cultural components, but that doesn’t mean there’s no universal. Americans think smiling happens with the mouth, but other cultures wouldn’t recognize joy from a smiling mouth.

      You recognize it from the eyes. That’s something any culture will recognize.

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        This was a very brief explanation of many studies looking into this exact problem. The conclusion is from their research, not mine. You’re also making my point, that expressions of joy, happiness etc vary between cultures. This article talks about some of the research but I recommend reading the original studies or Barrett’s book.

        Article

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    our emotions themselves are genetic. why wouldnt their physical expression be?

    mammals in general seem to show a lot of emotion, even similar ones.

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      And it’s genetic because it was required for how we evolved. Humans are social creatures and you had to fit in with the pack to be able to survive. Imagine if no one could tell what emotion anyone is, there would be chaos in the caves as everyone is continually setting each other off by not knowing how the other is feeling.

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      Essentially we are a social species and are telepathic. Meaning: we can tell from a distance how another is feeling and in some cases what they may be thinking. We do this through facial expressions and body language, not mystical energy vibrations. But IMO it’s just as magical.

      Pretty important in a group society to be telepathic. When everyone is contributing to the group, not just themselves, there’s danger of exploitation, coasting, and abuse. Being telepathic helps root this out, keeping the group efficient and aligned. Maybe this is one reason so many people fear diversity and cultural divergence: the more complicated people are, the harder it is to be telepathic with their outward signs. The more homogenous, the easier. And circling back to this post, we may not all have the same physical signs of an emotion, globally, but the point is for us to have them among any one group that lives together. So you can be damn sure that if smiling and crying are not universal, we at least have universally strong mechanisms for figuring out what the signs are for our culture and then exhibiting them. All unconscious.

      Note also that we have amazing actors among us, which suggests that the strong rewards you can get from abusing the group have driven the evolution of fraud mechanisms themselves.

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    As many other people have said humans do not have same physical reactions to emotions. There’s some similarity for certain emotions (disgust seems to be the one that gets the most evidence) but there’s a lot of variety of how very basic emotions are expressed across the world. This study is a good example showing how Western subjects look to how the muscles and movements of the face show emotions, but East Asian subjects looked small movements of the eyes to identify emotions and their intensity.

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    Because it’s beneficial for the species

    If you can tell when the other is happy you are more likely to produce offspring and less likely to die by angering someone further

    If emotions were random for every person life would be way harder