How do notifications work in the official Telegram Android app (Play Store vs Site version maybe)? Does it have the same mechanism as Signal, which only recognizes the presence of notifications via Google services, but sends them via its web socket service?
Telegram has private groups too. Except they aren’t private. You’re shilling for telegram so hard you are forgetting about their actual features.
This argument will have some weight if you can provide examples where telegram shared some information about private groups with someone unauthorized.
I’m not shilling. Just pointing out obvious differences in products’ features that one has to take into account when judging about app developer’s “wrongdoings”.
So you admit they collaborate with government authorities, and you admit they have group data in private groups, you just don’t want to take the logical step to say that they can read and disclose that data to governments at any time?
You do know they have access to the contents of every message sent on desktop clients too, right?
It is you who refuses to take logical steps to agree that every single app with the same feature set will be vulnerable to governments’ decisions. Signal is not a subject of that only because it does not provide such features and therefore is not used by protesters.
Yes, telegram knows all your private groups. But you are missing everything by assuming it is bad for you. You will be arrested not because telegram will disclose your private groups. You will be arrested because some person will join your private group and leak your presence there. That person will not need to get any information from Telegram for that. This is not an issue a service could solve by any encryption.
Yes it is. Wtf
It doesn’t need to do that, so yes, it is bad.
Telegram already discloses people’s identities when state governments ask. Why would it not disclose groups?
A year ago, you would have said Telegram doesn’t disclose people’s identities. Telegram constantly backpedals its claims, after getting caught in a lie.
… You say, ignoring every other problem Telegram has but Signal does not
Could you prove that? More specifically, I need proof that it allows public groups for protesters to gain mass and protect their identifies adequately at all times.
It does need that. Signal stores this information too. Just because it’s encrypted doesn’t mean it will not be handled to someone against your will.
I don’t know, maybe because I can’t imagine why even the most insane government would come up with laws that would allow it to ask internet services something like “hey there is this person, please provide some data of their activity on your service” instead of just capturing that person and making them spill out everything themselves. If you are at the point where your groups are disclosed this won’t be the result of government’s requests to some service. It’ll be the starting point for those.
I wouldn’t.
Signal’s way to “not have problems” is to avoid users who could bring them.
Sure, there’s pl–
I don’t accept your reframing.
Telegram’s public groups mean people can anonymously view the contents of the messages, which is a danger to protesters. I don’t know why you would even bring up this so-called feature.
No. It doesn’t. We have multiple court documents to prove this.
This is unhinged.
As pointed out above, Signal has been used in multiple protests in the past and is still used by activists and people who care about privacy today.