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Is the Fairphone 5 just a repeat of a proven formula or a real improvement compared to its predecessors?

While they were happy with what the fairphone 4 brought to the table, they seem to like what was changed for the fairphone 5.
What are you guys’ opinions on this? A welcome change? would you get one if your phone died within the next year?

  • Extras@lemmy.todayEnglish
    1339·
    7 months ago

    Too bad about the software security updates and lack of security features. Might be a good spare phone though

      • Extras@lemmy.todayEnglish
        264·
        7 months ago

        Iirc the chipset, QCM6490, will lose support after 2028 meaning the device will get at least 5 years of security updates and not the promised 8. Pretty sure that’s why grapheneOS doesn’t/won’t support it since the company doesn’t keep to their promises

        Edit: found grapheneOS’ response again I’m not saying Fairphone is a bad company but the way they are advertising the fp5 seems kinda shady IMO based on the specs of the device. At most you’ll get partial updates after 5 years since Qualcomm will drop support which is still great but don’t assume your device will be as safe as a fully updated device. Then again fairphone may commit to extending the life of the QCM6490 but not sure if they’ll be capable of that so we’ll just have to see. I apologize to anyone who got offended for some reason I was just expressing my opinion based on the track record of the company and the specs of their device

        • LWD@lemm.eeEnglish
          161·
          7 months ago

          Fairphone has never previously provided full security patches for anywhere close to their promised support. The Fairphone 4 doesn’t currently receive proper security support but rather receives the Android Security Bulletin patches consistently 1-2 months late and many of the recommended patches (Pixel Update Bulletin) years late.

          Fairphone 4 does not include a secure element and does not provide many of the expected hardware security features. It also has a broken/incomplete implementation of verified boot and attestation.

          That’s the GrapheneOS team’s response right there.

          Which I guess can be taken with a grain of salt, but the Graphene developers are known for nothing if not correctly assessing security.

      • darth_helmet@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        338·
        7 months ago

        Running android puts rather a low ceiling on security and privacy

        Edit: ok look y’all, I’m stoked that there are some privacy and security-focused routes for nerds to take, but aggregate security for the average user who goes to a store and buys what the salesperson recommends is an important metric.

        • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          172·
          7 months ago

          You don’t have to use Google services on the fairphone. And if you use it without those, Android is waaaaaaaaay more private than iOS.

          iPhones are barely much better than Android phones for privacy or security, despite Apple’s very effective marketing. They hoover up a shitload of data.

          • pathief@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            7 months ago

            How do push notifications work on Graphene? I am currently using LineageOS with microg services but the experience has been quite rocky

        • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
          112·
          7 months ago

          Quite the opposite. Running iOS means you have a device that does whatever Apple tells it to do, nothing more and nothing less. Running Android means you have a plethora of options to choose your level of security and convenience.

    • oehm@midwest.socialEnglish
      232·
      7 months ago

      Buying this phone as a “spare phone” you very well may never actually need seems to contradict the point of it

      • solrize@lemmy.worldEnglish
        161·
        7 months ago

        That is a 700+ dollar “spare phone”. Must be nice. It seems like an ok phone but it’s so expensive that the sustainability angle seems like pretense. My last phone (Moto G4 XT1625, Android 7) was $170 and was technologically obsolescent and physically decrepit by the time I replaced it after about 6 years. I’d like to see how many fairphones are still in use after that long.

        • LWD@lemm.eeEnglish
          112·
          7 months ago

          At $700, it’s too expensive to have a headphone jack too. You’ve got to buy those environmentally harmful wireless headsets to use it. For some reason, all the cheap phones out there have headphone jacks, but I guess we pay a premium for… Something.

      • Extras@lemmy.todayEnglish
        23·
        7 months ago

        Thats true but I was referring to it being useful for travelers or as a work phone. Just being useful when you don’t want to expose your personal device

      • Extras@lemmy.todayEnglish
        43·
        7 months ago

        Crap meant security updates I’ll edit it in but their phones overall. The company is notorious for not providing full security updates for the promised length which can end up jeopardizing the customer. Then specifically for the fp5 there’s the lack of a secure element and iirc verified boot but I could be mistaken

    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      68·
      7 months ago

      They provide updates for as long as Apple. More than any other android OEM.

      Educate yourself before you attempt to speak with authority.