• LegionEris@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    If you’re getting downvoted in an argument, guess what, that means you’re bad at making arguments.

    I pretty much agree with your second sentence/point, but this is bullshit. I got so many downvotes on reddit for literal descriptions of my perceptions and experiences as a gay woman. Half the time there wasn’t even a debate or argument happening. As reddit culture skewed more and more conservative, many technical and nerdy communities became actively hostile to the basic facts of my existence. Then there are all the downvotes I got for believing in human and minority rights while downthread with some bigots. My more visible posts on the same topic would be solidly upvoted, while everything below the arrow was smashed below zero because only angry little shits followed the discussion that far. I agree that the system on Lemmy isn’t meaningfully different and will inevitably have the same effects, but sorting by voting over-centralizes the meta and destroys real discussion and diversity of experience and opinion. It literally only works in limited circumstances within subjects that have objectively correct answers. Anywhere else it introduces so much chaos.

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      1 year ago

      I’m not saying people don’t pick sides in an argument, but the point is to convince someone you’re right, so if you’re not doing that, you’re getting downvotes meaning you’re either wasting your time or making bad arguments.

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        1 year ago

        I’m not saying people don’t pick sides in an argument

        What I’m saying is that these weren’t arguments. These were people weaponizing the voting system to keep minorities from self representing. I was downvoted below zero on a car repair sub for having runflats instead of a spare because I worked in and commuted through a bad part of town, often after midnight, where I wouldn’t feel safe stopping to change my tire. They made it clear that I was unwelcome because I am a woman, because my description of this gendered experience was unacceptable subreddit content.

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          1 year ago

          I’m not saying people don’t pick sides in an argument

          You made yourself verry clear, he’s trying to stir you

          there wasn’t even a debate or argument happening.

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            1 year ago

            Fuck off. You’re exactly the fucking same. If it didn’t happen to you, it doesn’t exist! Childish.

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              1 year ago

              I’m not going to argue with someone about the story they tell me and how it made them feel because an individual’s biased perspective is not an objective observation of how the vote system works. This isn’t about you.

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                You’ve declared someone you disagree with is making things up while criticizing the debate skills and tactics of those who disagree with you. What a fucking joke. You got some peer reviewed numbers to support your position about votes and arguments? Because from where I’m sitting, this nonsensical notion that people vote rigorously based on debate acumen and never with their emotions and libido along the lines of their existing beliefs is just as much a made up story. I’m not going to find numbers for a bad faith participant like you, but we already know people vote for real, important, world changing things with their emotions. The idea that the general populace is wildly more reasonable and responsible when the votes don’t matter at all is ludicrous.

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                  LegionEris, I have seen what you describe many times, and you have put the case eloquently. I just wish you didn’t have to.

                  Meanwhile, as a latecomer I’m laughing my ass off because this comment now stands at -11:

                  If you’re getting downvoted in an argument, guess what, that means you’re bad at making arguments. And this system is exactly the same, regardless of if you can see it or not, sorting by top will still sort by the net sum of votes.