IRC is sadly going away slowly. Which is a shame, it’s a great protocol that is easy to implement and simple to work with. Biggest problem I see is its inability to embed images and other multimedia. Had that been the case protocol would live on I feel. We just needed few more channel modes, some that ban or allow specific multimedia and inline image support and we are good.
Some people, if not most who use IRC, would claim otherwise, but there’s a reason why Slack became popular even though it’s shitty electron application.
There are multiple IRC clients that render inline images just fine and also some very nice web clients that allow posting such images directly from the app.
The main problem of IRC is IMHO that the large networks refuse to implement most of the newer IRCv3 standards or alternatively provide multi-client bouncers to their users.
Adiirc has an option to do inline images. The client pulls the image in on its own. Makes it look similar to Discord.
IRCv3 doesn’t bring multimedia as far as I know. There are good changes to the protocol proposed, but they are moving too slow.
This would require an HTML image upload service, which is out of scope for IRCv3 protocol specs.
But nothing stops a server implementation from providing this, and as already said several client+bouncer combinations already support media uploads very well.
The slow moving isn’t the problem of the IRCv3 specs, the issue is the adoption by the large networks and subsequently the clients (which rarely implement features the vast majority of their users on the large networks can’t use).
Biggest problem I see is its inability to embed images and other multimedia.
That’s one of its best features as far as I’m concerned, and one of the reasons I still use it every day.
I like to think that the last sound ever to be heard on the internet will be someone getting slapped with a wet trout.
What a magical world irc was in the 90s when I was a gay closeted teenager talking to queers from all over the world. When you find your people for the first time. IRC will always hold a special place in my heart. I always keep an irc client on my install… for old time’s sake.
I wonder if multiple IRC clients all agreed at the same time to extend the protocol by rendering markdown in the messages if that would help.
There’s a “new” draft for version 3 being worked on but to be honest they are not addressing in my opinion the right features. Yay, we are going to get unicode nicknames? I think people are fine with what is there now. But not being able to paste code or images, now that’s a real hindrance.
Thank you for all this time. I still use it today, along with pidgin.
What a shame :(
Hopes the project lives on, one way or another.
Is there something good to replace it?
Konversation
It doesn’t need a replacement. IRC is amazing the way it is, and Hexchat is a perfect example of “a finished product”.
I agree as far as the feature set is concerned, but software unfortunately doesn’t exist in a vacuum.
A vulnerability could be discovered that needs a fix.
The operating system could change in such a way that eventually leads to the software not functioning on later versions.
The encryption algorithms supported by the server could be updated, rendering the client unable to connect.
It might be a really long time before any of that happens, but without a maintainer, that could be the end.
That can be true for self-contained command line tools, but not for complex programs with actively development dependencies (especially anything dealing with networking or encryption). For example hexchat uses GTK2 which is likely to be removed from mainstream distro repos in the coming years because it has been obsolete for a long time. Also openssl which is known to change its API occasionally which means that anything that uses it needs to be updated to stay compatible.
This. Sometimes a software is just finished. IRC itself has not seen change in like… about all the time I remember.
@venia_sil @SomeBoyo @amaki @OsrsNeedsF2P
Is it different with XMPP?
Adoption relatively low but still in active development?
Maybe Matrix is the way forward.
I hope so, but the protocol seems to be complex by several order of magnitude.
I’m not familiar with either protocol - what is it that makes IRC so simple and Matrix complicated?
a lot of the complexity in matrix comes from it trying to make a robust platform where users on each server don’t have to worry the other servers, beyond the ability to reach users on those servers.
Basically the way it works is that each server keeps a copy of all the important data in a channel/room, so that no matter which or how many other servers become unreachable, local users are unaffected beyond being unable to reach the users on those servers.
It’s really nice and IMO absolutely worth the complexity, and it’s not like most devs really have to worry about this as they can simply use a library to handle the details.
And as for clients, that remains pretty trivial to implement a basic shitty one like what most people’s first experience is with IRC…
I enjoy XMPP with Gadjim client and Cheogram on Android.
Since then I don’t miss IRC anymore
I like The Lounge
Weechat is the only other irc client I recommend
How are it’s xdcc capabilities?
