If your IP (and possible your browser) looks “suspicious” or has been used by other users before, you need to add additional information for registration on gitlab.com, which includes your mobile phone number and possibly credit card information. Since it is not possible to contribute or even report issues on open source projects without doing so, I do not think any open source project should use this service until they change that.
Screenshot: https://i.ibb.co/XsfcfHf/gitlab.png
I remember when gitlab.com was the most accessible alternative to GitHub out there, but it seems they’re only interested in internal enterprise usage now. Their main page was already completely unreadable to someone not versed in enterprise tech marketing lingo, and now this.
Thankfully Gitea and Forgejo have gotten better in the meantime, with Codeberg as a flagship instance of the latter.
On a tangent, why are all of these companies pushing AI programming? This shit isn’t nearly as functional as they make it seem and all the beginners who try it are constantly asking questions about why their generated code doesn’t work
We are in the hype cycle so everyone is going bananas and there’s money to be made prior to the trough of disillusionment.
It’s their wet dream. Making software without programmers.
Execs have never cared about the technology or the engineering side of it. If you could make software by banging on a pot while dancing naked around the fire, they’d have been ok with that.
And now that AI has come along that’s basically what it looks like to them.
Because greedy investors are gullible and want to make money from the jobs they think AI will displace. They don’t know that this shit doesn’t work like they’ve been promised. The C-levels at Gitlab want their money (gotta love publicly traded companies), and nobody is listening to the devs who are shouting that AI is great at writing security vulnerabilities or just like, totally nonfunctioning code.
the beginners who try it are constantly asking questions about why their generated code doesn’t work
Because it ain’t here to generate all their code for them. It’s a glorified autocomplete and suggestion engine. When are people gonna get this? (not you, just in general)
I use CoPilot myself, but if you have absolutely no idea what you’re doing yourself, you and CoPilot will both quickly hit a dead end together. It doesn’t actually understand what you want the code to do. Only what is similar to what you have already written or prompted for, which may be some garbage picked up from a noob on the web somewhere. Books and research using your meatbrain are still very much needed.
Because it brings in mad VC funding
VC’s and companies like OpenAI have done a really good job of propagandizing AI (LLMs). People think it’s magical and the future, so there’s money in saying you have it.
For my private repos, hosted on my home server, I moved from Gitlab to Forgejo (Git, artifacts and containers images) and Woodpecker for CI builds. Woodpecker is not as powerful and feature complete as Gitlab, but for simpler needs it gets the job done.
Maybe it’s just me, but I never liked GitLab in the first place. The UI is just awful to me. Searching through issues, before posting a new one, is just a pita.
Pita = Pain in the ass
The best part of the Gitlab UI is when it gets upgraded and you have to relearn how to find everything.
What, did they source their developers from blender?
Blender actually improved its UI though
You mean GIMP, right?!
Imho, Blender really deserves to be treated with more respect. They’re one of the few ones offering a great product for free. Sure, it might seem a bit overwhelming, but so are most of these 3D programs. It’s just a matter of getting used to… but GIMP, booy oh boy
About 10 years ago I decided I was going to pick up blender and learn it. No big deal, I used to be really good in radiant so I should be able to catch up. this shouldn’t be that strange. I’ll just pick up a YouTube video how to get started. Just click here click there go to this menu and select that.
Huh, the menu’s not even there. I go start digging around oh they moved at this point revision. Okay fine. Now everything I look up needs to have that exact point revision. It started out fine I was able to find tutorials starting in the exact version that I needed, but then I started needing more specific tutorials working with non-manifold objects crap like that. Well lo and behold somebody hasn’t covered every point revision in blender for every problem I encountered. Trying to find a video on how to do a certain action or even what the action is called now is potluck.
I couldn’t even buy a book or download a tutorial series from a previous version because even point releases at that time were night and day apart.
On The other hand I won’t try to tell you that gimp isn’t a hot mess but it’s got maybe a hundred options 25 of which are the ones I really need to use on a regular basis, and although their locations change and the shapes of the icons the names of them in the menus they’re in don’t move around that much. Blender on the other hand, there’s just s*** all over the place.
I appreciate that it might have gotten better at this point I don’t have the time anymore.
https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/security/identity_verification.html
What the fuuuuu
Discourse, Git* and more really need federated search.
It is already hard getting Contributors for projects, even more if you are on some random selfhosted server that nobody finds and everyone needs to create a new account for.
Cool!
GitLab used to be awesome when it was the place to go after MS bought out GitHub. They had premium access for all public projects under a FOSS license and top-tier CI. Then as time went on, they began pulling support for various functions in a very Microsoftian EEE sort of way. First requiring credit cards fir new users to access the CI, then taking away the CI almost entirely except for a practically useless monthly allotment, then taking away the premium access for public FOSS licensed projects. If I were migrating today I would not have chosen GitLab, but it is where I settled after leaving GitHub and my projects have grown to depend on GitLab CI even if I’m now forced to run my own runners due to the extreme nerfs they’ve done to the hosted CI. I mirrored OpenRGB to Codeberg, but since the CI pipelines depend on GitLab I don’t see Codeberg becoming the main hub anytime soon unless they can execute GL CI configs. Sad to see how far GitLab has fallen though, it is unrecognizable from what it used to be as far as support for FOSS prohects goes, especially given how GitLab itself started as a FOSS project.
I created a GitLab account long before they implemented this, but never used it. Went to post an issue related to self-hosted GitLab on their issue tracker, and it told me my account was banned. I wrote an email to support and they essentially said “an automated system identified your account as a bot and banned you during an account clean up some years ago to cut back on malicious users”. I informed them that this was not at all reasonable, as I’ve never even posted anything on any GitLab account, and that I would be advising my organization to never pay for any GitLab product or service unless legal writes up the contract terms, because I have no faith in them as a vendor.
Seriously, fuck GitLab. And if anyone from that org wants to discuss this with me, they can pipe their email to
/dev/nullThat is regrettably not too unusual. Many platforms deactivate / ban empty accounts that were inactive for a long time. I guess “aging” accounts before use is something not too uncommon for bots.
No worries, gitlab is a trash Ruby on rails app anyway 😹
JK I do love gitlab, sad to see the corporate takeover. What features dont you get with the foss version? Can’t figure it out amongst the marketing cruft. Seems like it would be relatively easy to build another hosted gitlab provider.
So why does gulab need to kyc anyway? And if it’s a legal requirement, won’t GitHub do the same?
Do what should I use?
Drew DeVault created https://sourcehut.org/, which may be worth considering.
Also @thejevans@lemmy.ml
Looks cool. Their hosted service is still in Alpha, so I doubt my work would go for it.
Ahh, I didn’t notice that, bugger.
I have no idea what everyone is on about.
Host your own git repo. It’s trivial and built into git and you make every decision about it from the ground up.
For example you don’t need to worry about registrations or what country it’s hosted in because the country it’s hosted in is your hard drive (or your company’s server rack).
Then use whatever front-end you want and point it at that private repo.
It’s only mildly more fiddly to set up and grant access, but it sure doesn’t ask you for a credit card and it sure doesn’t get scraped to train LLMs (unless you make it internet-facing and don’t protect it).
If you want to stay close to the core experience but still have a decent interface, check out (heh) gitweb and git daemon. Though I wouldn’t mind if gitweb had some of the fancier features, like the “download as zip”/“git clone path/to/branch copy-to-clipboard” buttons.It is not trivial to host a git forge with modern features that allows easy collaboration between anonymous users all over the world.
Git forge?
Just git. Git command line.
It’s about as trivial as setting up an Apache server.
The anonymous users part is maybe two lines in a config file.
The features are almost entirely part of the front-end, which is entirely up to each individual end-user.
Do you have a web server? You’re already 95% of the way there. A workplace was mentioned in other replies, which likely means this infrastructure is already in place.So no PRs. No Issues. No CI/CD. That doesn’t work for 99% of actively developed open source projects with >10 devs
I know project that is developed by 10.00000001 devs
The difficulty of sending patches or reporting issues to the Linux kernel is a feature for them, as it keeps less-experienced devs from wasting maintainer’s time with garbage requests. For most projects it’s a bug.
If you want people to contribute to your project, Github is by far the best. If you’re off Github, it reduces your visibility by a lot.
Even just for reporting issues, anyone who is capable of identifying a bug is likely to have a GitHub account. Not so for Gitlab or others.
Then you’ve got seamless integration with Vscode as a bonus, it’s more like why would you not use GitHub unless you have a specific problem with them.
Then you’ve got seamless integration with Vscode as a bonus, it’s more like why would you not use GitHub unless you have a specific problem with them.
Does GitHub still only permit one account? I remember looking into it awhile back and not wanting to get things mixed up between personal/professional arrangements and the one account policy put me off.
I would LOVE to switch to codeberg for work, but my work requires that all data be hosted in the US, so I recently pitched GitLab as an alternative to GitHub, even though it’s not perfect.
Wait. Wtf does it need to be US specifically? So the goverment has full access to the data or what?
Export controls or legal compliance, most likely. Export controls because the code may be a protected technology, or compliance because the company doesn’t have gdpr or some other legal framework.
Gitlab always sketched me the fuck out.
Because it was usable software or because they’re devs and can’t spell for shit? What skeeved you out a decade ago that still persists now (i.e. ‘always’) ?
Fuck GitLab. I used to use it until recently moved all my projects to codeberg. Way better. GitLab is becoming more and more like GitHub.
