That is what deterministic reality means. And if you can exactly replicate a consciousness, that is the indication we’re in an deterministic universe.

How do you change an equation from within said equation?

Free will, presumably, is the ability to choose. Or at the very least the ability to change an action from a predetermined course.

If consciousness derives from a series of physical interactions, i.e. you are just a set of electrochemical reactions that follow deterministic (i.e. unchanging no matter how many times it happens) physics, you cannot change anything. Every thought that you have ever thought was determined before electrons formed in the universe. Every single action the collection of waves and particles you arbitrarily call ‘you’ happened all at once at the start of the universe, we’re just seeing it happen slowly.

If consciousness is deterministic, there is no concept of free will, you are in the middle of a mathematical formula being solved, nothing more or less. You have no ability to change your fate, or choose anything. Even your reaction to this idea was determined before the universe was cold enough for light to exist.

Therefore, we should hope consciousness, if nothing else in the universe, is not deterministic. That there is no ability to stop or restart it here. That there isn’t a way to copy it, or paste it. Otherwise no human has ever chosen anything, even a single thought in their head.

The problem with chaos theory and its ilk is it’s frame of reference is so pathetically human.

No, humans even with computer aid will not be able to predict a sufficiently chaotic system, but that doesn’t mean its not predictable.

That’s the definition of deterministic. That given infinite compute time and an accurate starting state, and accurate formulas, you are able to calculate the totality of any single point of time in that system. In other words, if the universe were a single equation, i.e. Δe=(mc²)t and you knew the starting values of e, m, and c; you could fill in the t(ime) and figure out the Δe at any point in time.

That fact doesn’t change if there are a infinite number of items in the formula, or even infinite formulas – there will never be any other outcome to those equations than what was set in motion at the start of the universe. Free will, i.e. true deviation from determinism, cannot exist in a deterministic universe. Without deviation from determinism, without free will, we are not participants in the universe. We are observers. We cannot change any thing, even how we think about the fact we are observers.

Every thought you’re having right now, in a deterministic universe, was determined the second the universe started. Every action you’ve taken, including writing this comment, was set in stone. There was never a single thing you could do to change it, there was never anything else that would have ever happened, there is no variance with these starting conditions that this universe started with.

If you are just the result of mathematical formulas being resolved in real time, you cannot change the variables. You aren’t part of setting the equation. You are a blip in it being solved.

For most people, that’s depressing. For some people, this being proven will cause them to kill themselves, which would have been again set in stone before the Earth was formed. For anyone this should be distressing, unless, of course, you were programmed at the start of the universe to not find it distressing and just be okay with being an unwilling actor in a movie recorded before the concept of light existed.

Which would be terrible, genuinely speaking. Proving that to yourself in what is essentially suicide from anything other than a deterministic viewpoint is an extreme most will simply never do.

Most people do not accept nor want to think that they are merely watching a movie. Most people want to believe they have struggled. That they have suffered. That they have overcome that suffering. That their choices lead, at least in part, to the success or failure of the things in their life.

Without free will, the concept of choice does not exist. Struggle and suffering were built in. Whether or not you got through it has nothing to do with you. You have not accomplished anything, you will never accomplish anything. Not that there is a meaningful definition of ‘You’ in a purely deterministic universe; anymore than there is a definition of the viewer of a movie from the universe within that movie.

Because then that means free will can’t exist.

Deterministic universes disallow any concept of free will or variance beyond what was calculated at the very femtosecond the universe started. Nothing is possible except what has happened and will happen.

Stormworks. Obviously. The entire game is about engineering and designing vehicles to go on various rescue missions, or to go to space, or sometimes to mine oil… okay the devs have gone a bit off track from the original vision but the storms are still good for a voxel physics sandbox game.

They absolutely are. When a building collapses due to the safety inspectors being bribed, it’s not the rich people that die – they live in the nice buildings. When an investigation into fair wages gets bribed away who suffers? The workers.

When a politician spends his career working against the workers who suffers? The Workers.

China at a local level is incredibly directly democratic, with workers voting on most things. Directly going against the will of the people is harming those people’s essential right to self determination, compromising their safety, and denying them all other rights afforded by China’s constitution.

While this isn’t actually how money works in any country, the workers pay the wages of the politicians, they demand honest service, and the whole system is based on the idea that can be done.

Some political ideologies and opinions are objectively not okay to exist in modern society, and those who hold those opinions should be eliminated. This isn’t a controversial opinion outside a tiny bubble in the US who think deep down every nazi is just a misunderstood cash cow waiting to be secreted away by the CIA.

Amnesty.org is a US Government organization created by Cold War era Intelligence agents. It is not an internationally recognized neutral organization and has no history of neutrality. They magically find issues with anyone that the US deems as an enemy, but has never criticized the US.

HRRC I’ve never heard of, but for a generic NGO that appeared out of no where that posts opinion articles that contradict their own sources, they aren’t off to a good start. Also not an official organization of anywhere.

USHMM Hosts no sources, has no researchers on staff, has no direct connections to china, and appears to be israeli owned and operated so nothing they’ve ever said or posted is likely to be true.

And getting immediately hyperbolic feedback about your sorting job. It’s like if your computer was schizophrenic and overly upset your didn’t place the story exactly where it should go according to the whims of whichever voices are awake at the time.

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A) BlueMAGA exclusively refers to the 'Vote Blue no Matter Who" Crowd. It was a leftist term before you liberals even knew what MAGA was.

B) There is no forced sterilization found. Some was alleged at one point, but there has never been evidence, including production of the individuals who claimed this happened, ever. The only source for this was anonymous reports from Radio Free Asia, the CIA propaganda outlet that also purports to believe China is stealing white children from tourists.

C) Family Separation, aka taking kids into state care when their parents are arrested. This has been the only confirmed cases where this has happened, according to the report that I linked.

D) Sexual Violence possibly happened… as it does in all criminal justice systems. We don’t know, there is no evidence of this, including production of anyone that has ever claimed this happened to them; but yes this is the most probable ‘abuse’ that exists. If you give prison guards power and privacy, they rape. This is true in every single country on Earth and is a reason that eventually justice systems need to be abolished.

E) Forced Labor, aka, what every single country on earth does with prisoners during rehabilitation. Every single one. There isn’t a prison system where this doesn’t happen. It’s part of every psychologist’s recommendation for correcting criminal behavior.

F) “Illegal deportation” isn’t a thing that can happen.

G) ‘Cultural Genocide’ is a thing thanks to the US definition of genocide, but even that’s not actually being alleged since, you know, you can visit Xinjiang and actually speak Uyghur to nearly anyone there. It’s taught in every school in the region to all persons in the region, along with mandatory cultural festivals for students. Same as Cantonese being taught in that region, Tibetan taught in that region, and Mongolian taught in that region. Because of these facts no one even tries to claim cultural genocide anymore, and it doesn’t fit any other possible definition of genocide.

Was the response to a half decade of terror attacks a bit extreme? Maybe, that’s subjective. And not something anyone in the US or Europe can criticize, given you people responded to terror attacks by killing 2+ million Arabs.

I did, extensively when it came out. That’s not genocide.

If you actually cared to read the report what they allege they found is ‘systemic arrests of families of captured Uyghur terrorists,’ that ‘have nothing to do with their family member’s terrorism,’ and were held ‘without bond until trial.’ No genocide. No systemic abuse of all uyghurs. Less than 1% of an extremely small population involved.

Given CHINA WAS VIOLENTLY ATTACKED FOR HALF A DECADE BY TURKISH UYGHURS PAID BY THE CIA, you might understand why families of those terrorists were, you know, investigated arrested and rehabilitated in the off chance they too were a part of a terror organization.

That plus the multi-hundred billion dollar investment in Xinjiang resulting in one of the largest, fastest decreases in poverty rates in world history is why China hasn’t had another terror attack despite being bordered with Turkey, where the terror organization still exists.

Sure. Here’s the UN.

In fact, here’s all claims made to the UN, the assessments and recommendations of investigative bodies, and all specific recommendations to China regarding alleged human rights abuses. By a Uyghur rights group. None of which calls anything China has done as genocide. Because it is a CIA-funded Uyghur rights group, it does call counter terrorism of the internationally recognized terrorist organization known as the East Turkestan Party ‘cultural oppression.’ But even that slant is hollow when they actually link to the OHCHR reports which show, at worst, some family members directly internationally recognized as linked to known terrorists and that are actually on the no-fly list in the US were arrested and put into rehabilitation after the terror attacks.

Edit: And to be clear, I just did the impossible by proving a negative. In all logic and debate it is on the claimant to prove their case. next time have proof.

You don’t have to like it but again I ask what other solution you have to people that have shown themselves beyond a reasonable doubt to be objectively evil. People that would be lynched by the public if their crimes were just reported on.

Because a bunch of them are just redditors that find nothing wrong with anything reddit has ever done, except cosmetic issues like the API change. This is especially true on .world and pretty much any piefed instance. They support u/spez and his nazi ambitions, they support zionism, they support neoliberalism and corporate take over of the internet; they were just mad they couldn’t browse reddit on the shitter anymore.

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That is an opinion, sure. Another is that you stop separating ‘The StAtE’ from ‘The People,’ because it decent societies there is no effective difference. (Actually in all societies, there is zero difference whatsoever, but we really aren’t here to talk about implied consent)

The state doesn’t need to be infallible, because people aren’t. But we can be sure beyond a reasonable doubt. If a mayor of a province that has directly harmed hundreds of thousands of people and was found with literally 40 tons of Gold and Cash says they’re innocent, they have a pretty large hill to climb. We can be reasonably sure he at least had something to do with the bribes, and we can be reasonably sure a poor student from a poor family turned extremely low level politician did not find a way to hoard 40 tons of gold and cash through legitimate means. On its face just that evidence pushes that beyond a reasonable doubt, but beyond that the offender still gets a guaranteed defense in court. The one referenced obvious lost, because of course he couldn’t defend those actions or explain away 40 tons of gold and cash, but he had the chance to push some, ANY doubt into the mind of the jury.

This also isn’t like the US, evidence can’t be thrown out of court and doesn’t have to be approved by the court; meaning any exculpatory evidence the defense can find can and does get introduced. If you’re innocent and can prove it in any way, congrats. If you find a filing mistake by the People’s Prosecution, congrats. If you can prove a flaw in their methodology, congrats. ‘The State’ doesn’t set the narrative, the court only exists as a way to to guide the jury on what the law is. It has no relationship with the prosecution.

And yes, the death penalty is reserved for those that cannot be rehabilitated. A man does not come back from literally decades of taking bribes. A man cannot change that drastically overnight, it is pure naivety to think otherwise (and ignorance of psychology). The Norway style of keeping mass murderers alive forever just to… say that they didn’t kill them and feel smug about it does nothing for public safety, and just costs money. All for a smug since of superiority about being kind to people that want to kill you. China was under a dictatorship less than a century ago, they had this whole big revolution about recognizing and not being kind to those people.

Link me one official organization that calls it a genocide and is not a part of a country that considers itself explicitly at war with China. I’ll wait.