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The parallels between Musk and Stark seemed perfect on paper. Both are billionaire tech innovators with a flair for the dramatic and dreams of changing the world.
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Are people ready to admit that characters like Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne has always served to propagandize the idea of “genius millionaire/billlionaire” capitalists despite the fact that no such thing has ever existed in reality?
And that this propaganda is partly the reason why parasitic fraudster racketeers like Musk, Gates and Bezos gets to get away with their gargantuan crimes against humanity?
No?
are you ready to admit that fictional characters exist in fiction because it gives an escape to readers to fantasize about themselves as the hero?
get over yourself bringing all that hatemongering in here.
you think you offer a special perspective that none of us have that pertains to the widening of socioeconomic gaps between the rich and poor? yeah we get it, “rich man bad!”
calling comic book characters propaganda, what’s wrong with you?! you think the writers of these characters have some kind of secret cabal where they purposely write great things about rich people just to make actual rich people look good?!
your perspective is skewed and you need to re-evaluate it.
It isnt so much direct propaganda as conditioned propaganda. Stan Lee was a playwright for the us army a title I believe less than 10 people held at the time. He spent his late teens and early 20s being the hand on the page for the voice of the US government. Being immersed in those ideals it is no wonder he regurgitated us red scare propaganda and he expressed regret for it.
This didnt stop though and with iron man stan lee said:
“I think I gave myself a dare. It was the height of the Cold War. The readers, the young readers, if there was one thing they hated, it was war, it was the military. So I got a hero who represented that to the hundredth degree. He was a weapons manufacturer, he was providing weapons for the Army, he was rich, he was an industrialist. I thought it would be fun to take the kind of character that nobody would like, none of our readers would like, and shove him down their throats and make them like him … And he became very popular.”
Prpaganda is defined as
“deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist”.
Iron man certainly seems to fit. Remember Stan Lee was in the military when it was antifascist. As a result he was pro military and he used his position to sway people toward his own views which… were developed when writing for the army. …
It doesn’t have to be a secret conspiracy to act as propaganda. Social conditioning reinforces it. Americas civil religion permeates every aspect of life from the pledge of allegiance in kidnergarten to the anthem at ball games. If you do not recognize it and challenge it you will repeat it.
I personally think in the case of Batman it was less nefarious. A plot device gone awry. After all, how could a normal man compete with Superman? In our society he would have to be rich to fund his inventions and afford superhuman tools.
Stark actually was intelligent though. He really invented all the stuff he used, he earned the right to be a bit of an arse.
Yeah.
Elon bought the title of founder of Tesla. He’s not a fucking inventor, he’s a leech.
Elon wants to be Stark. He’s actually Iron Monger. He wants to be Stark so fucking badly.
Well, Stark is actually a fictional character in a genre that too often uses the term “smartest X alive” when that’s not how intelligence works at all. Also, like others have said, Howard Hughes is more likely the inspiration for Stark. That being said, the closest irl “tech savant” I can think of is John Carmack.
I vote John von Neumann for tech savant.
Tesla’s CEO; The Inspiration For Tony Spark
Elon “Baby-Brain” Musk as the inspiration of “Tony Spark” the cheap knock-off Tony Stark.
Tony Stark first appeared in Marvel comics 8 years before Musk was born.
When Stan Lee created Tony back in the 1960’s he probably took his inspiration from Howard Hughes.
Hughes had been the inspiration for a famous novel of the time, “The Carpetbaggers.”
HH was played by Leo DiCaprio in ‘The Aviator.’
Hughes was smart though. Unlike Elon “Phoney Starck” Musk.
Probably why Tony Stark’s father is named Howard, too.
Could be.
Off topic but fun.
The book ‘The Carpetbaggers’ became a movie; there was a Western actor mentioned in the story, Nevada Smith. Does anyone else know a daring character named after a state with a five letter last name?
I told you before, I’m not doing any more research for your crossword puzzles. If you want to keep making them that’s fine, but don’t put the work on us.
/s just in case
Hannah Montana!
Alexis Texas.
Way more daring than Hannah ever was…
I’m, like, 90% sure that last name is more than 5 letters. (I mean I guess Cyrus but not Montana which is the character’s last name)
Oh, wait
Hannah Monta!
Now she’s not named after a state!
Does anyone else know a daring character named after a state with a five letter last name?
That’s so reductive. The guy is MUCH MUCH MORE.
Alexas Texas has entered the chat…
Elon Musk is a wannabe fanboy of Tony Stark, per Iron Man 2. It’s MCU canon.
Yeah but Musk in the MCU got Thanos-snapped and the Avengers wisely left him out when they snapped everyone back
I like to imagine he got snapped while on a flight on his private jet…
when they snapped people back into life they also made sure they were in a safe place
The parallels between Musk and Stark seemed perfect on paper. Both are billionaire tech innovators with a flair for the dramatic and dreams of changing the world.
They’re not, though. Stark is a rare engineering powerhouse who personally pushed past a lot of engineering boundaries, and Musk is an investor/programmer who mostly puts his name on existing things.
I might change my mind if Musk personally invents AGI, nanobots, and a previously-unknown clean energy source capable of powering a 1/3rd of NYC with a room no larger than a foyer, like Stark did, but I’m not holding out much by way of hopes.
Considering he asked twitter programmers to print out their pull requests Im not even sure he’s not cosplaying a programmer
Did he want them faxed to him?
When he apparently was a programmer, this was a bit more normal.
I’ve met a few professors requiring uni assignments’ code printed.
When he wrote code at PayPal, people kept having to go back and fix it. He doesn’t know what he’s doing.
OK. I just meant that one can demand that as a sign of respect or something. With a sufficient degree of narcissism.
I imagine that a university level coding assignment and the backend code that runs the Twitter.com website (albeit just fractions of it) are several orders of magnitude apart from each other in terms of size and complexity. I don’t know shit about programming though, I took C++ in high school and got a D+. Should’ve called the class Introduction to D++.
Wow I hadn’t heard about that.
According to Johnny Harris (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WYQxG4KEzvo) he does go into the details, according to Johnny’s sources. I can’t stand Elon as well, but I’m no longer sure if he’s just an investor.
I would not say Johnny Harris is a reliable source
Out of interest, do you have any sources that what he does is not reliable? This is not some kind of I’m pissed off about your comnent, I’m actually not. Having said that, I see tgis as an opportunity to learn about Harris’ shortcomings. Thanks in advance.
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The very first word in the article is a glaringly obvious fucking typo. Why on earth would I want to read anything that website has to say?!?
Yoi jist don’t inderstand modern artucles?
Because that’s a good canary to show the article wasn’t AI written?
Hey vocal.media why not proofread your articles a little better? The first letter is a typo, never seen that before.
Un an interview that’s got everyone talking, Robert Downey Jr has finally addressed the elephant in the room; those persistent comparisons between Elon Musk and the character Tony Stark.
Why go so far as the first letter? Look at the typo in the subheading “Tony Spark”
Thanks for pointing this out. I’d never heard of this site before. From their front page: https://fedia.io/media/dd/05/dd05739fe84d5754670a5985712d74afa8a49f6dae81a8afa01e460ff04ccf11.png
That should tell you a lot about whether or not to invest any energy into reading stories from there.
Yikes
Tony Stark created likeability with a box of scraps in a cave!
Well he’s not Tony Stark…
Elton never invented anything, he’s skated on other’s success. He’s more the evil partner from the first Iron Man using others’ inventions.
Now now, Elon does technically have one patent to his name personally.
Its the shape of the charging port for Teslas.
He patented this with the idea that if he ever did actually build out that massive EV charger network, he would basically be owed royalties if it successfully became the USB C of EV charging ports, so himself personally would be owned royalties if other car companies wanted to use that charging port shape.
But that was like a decade ago, and last I heard he fired the entire team at Tesla dedicated to the charging network.
Tesla’s NACS charging standard is now the charging standard for most car companies operating in the USA.
He should follow Stark and sacrifice himself for humanity.
I don’t see it. Elon is a sociopath and doesn’t care about people at all. He is autistic as well. The man would easily sacrifice others in a crisis, not fight for them.
Autistic people are generally the opposite from sociopaths, relative to norm.
However, we do, existing with ratio of like 1 in 200 people, get the experience with non-autistic people that makes us think of them similarly to how non-autistic people think of sociopaths.
As an autistic person, there are many cases about which I’d say that if I had the opportunity to press the red button sending nukes, I would press it, but in fact I most likely wouldn’t, because autistic people are generally less compromising on justice and honesty. The decision to, say, sacrifice one good person to punish 1000 bad people is much harder for us than for “normal” people.
“Normal” people usually consider this trait a weakness, but then have the gall to accuse us of lacking empathy.
Also autistic emotions are stronger too - we just learn to control them, because otherwise it’s be impossible to function. When you read something about homeless people, you just add that to your inner narrative of how your group is good and the other group is bad, you generally don’t think about the matter itself. When we read something about homeless people, we feel ourselves on their place and temporarily lose the ability to eat, sleep and enjoy life.
However, getting back to your point - in things requiring one to be a better person autistic people are almost always better. It’s a fact of the “you’d never have thought” genre exchanged in autistic communities that there are, in fact, bad autistic people. That’s how rare it is.
I hope I have educated you.
I’m in the process of being diagnosed as an adult, and I feel very validated as I relate to this very much.
Thank you, but is it really fair to say they all autistic people are like you describe? Just like non-autistic people, there should be a a variety of behaviors in autistic people as well?
I was talking about Elon Musk here, not all autistic people.
Pathological or caused by some condition traits are the big, notable ones. And personal differences are more subtle.
Just like, say, serial housing - Soviet microdistricts look all the same on the plan and even from the outside, and there are common tendencies with small crime and all that. But, of course, people living in each one of them are different, so is graffiti on the walls, illegal construction, potholes and pits, trees and bushes, garages, shops and playgrounds.
I was mostly talking about things which are specific to what autism is.
Well, you were talking about the positive aspects of autistic people only. Maybe it’s hard to notice that, but it sounds almost like you think they are a better version of non-autistic people. From my perspective, that’s not really how it is… :) Autism or not, people can have a lot of negative personality traits that make them a pain to be around.
Maybe you are right. I’m thinking about the wrong kind of autistic people right now.
Give anyone a ton of money and power and eventually they will turn into a sociopath. “Anyone” includes autistic people. We are not magical fairies immune to the basics of human corruption.
Marcus Aurelius apparently has found a way
The difference is that Elon does things that benefit HIM
And he’s incapable of creating anything. And he has zero charisma.
