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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/33458015
If I am required to do this, I am purging my Discord account immediately. I am not giving them face scans.
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getting a bunch of minors to take selfies of themselves to upload to a server somewhere while training an ai model will definitely have no problems…
Thing is Discord will have no problems getting them to do it. By the time any legal proceedings against it work their way through the legal system, the damage will long since have been done. Discord will have made the money from the data they collected, the AI models will be done, and the need for more pictures will be non-existent.
Hopefully people will get pissed enough to just use something else.
Discord, in the future, probably…
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Yikes, we gotta get on improving Element and Matrix as a replacer ASAP. My apologies for shillery, I don’t normally hock FOSS alternatives in the comments but I view this sort of offense by Discord as a militant action level of threat.
Matrix takes Donations LINK
Element offers product packages for developers/hosts LINK
There are also other services aside from Element with similar functionality so check those out too.
EDIT: Also Matrix is on Github LINK
Revolt also exists just btw. I dont use it just thought I’d mention it.
Cinny is a discord like matrix client :)
The feature none of them seem to have is creating a set of rules that users have to read and agree to before seeing the rest of the space, such is the case with Discord Community Channels.
I mean theres a shit ton missing for discord parity. I agree that matrix needs more of these features, just wanted to share a couple things that already exist
I mean I’m usually not the skeptic when it comes to privacy rights, but it’s hard for me to defend against an action like this. Because I don’t see a purpose of needing that information outside of the intent to sell to third party
Social media are more and more required by law to prevent kids from using their service. I don’t see a way to achieve that with no risks to privacy.
I couldn’t imagine an AI model will be very accurate of being able to identify a 11 year old vs a 13 year old. I assume this is more to try and vett whether they can access NSFW channels or not, but honestly since humans can’t properly vett that, I don’t know how an AI is supposed to reliably do that.
Which is why the laws suck. Don’t fix a stupid law with stupid policy, fix the stupid law.
Then there shouldn’t be such laws. It’s not the government’s job to parent.
won’t somebody please think of the children!
Daily reminder that Matrix exists and has many populated chat rooms
I assume having your own chat room with your friends would mean self hosting?
Think of it more like Lemmy, do you need to self-host a Lemmy instance to create a post? A community? No, and the same goes for Matrix.
The only reason to self-host Matrix is if you want to. You can create chat rooms on pretty much any server you like.
I personally use Matrix.org so I can just set up a chat room and itll be hosted there. Of course if you want to self host a matrix instance for you and your friends thats an option, or some of your friends can use the self hosted instance and some other instances (Matrix is a federated protocol).
I assume having your own chat room with your friends would mean self hosting?
Why would you assume this? There’s plenty of servers available and conversations can still be encrypted.
Voice chat is extremely lacking, though.
Lacking in what ways?
No
Maybe it’s the interests I have, but those chat rooms may have people but not a lot of activity. Also, the specific people I want to chat with don’t use Matrix.
The big issue they’ve had, imo, is that there’s too many bots and too many IRC bridges from stubborn oldies who refused to migrate away from IRC.
There was a time when freenode went down that many channels were experiencing an exodus, which would have been the perfect time for Matrix adoption, but people were far too stubborn with IRC despite its many flaws (privacy, lack of history, poor feature set, etc.)
Do we have concrete proof of this happening now or in the near future? Does the video provide any? I need to know whether to sound the alarm now, or wait till there’s something concrete to show people. (You can probably understand my hesitation to share a scarily titled YT video as my only proof)
If they ask for my face I’m done with Discord my friends and I will find a new place to chill
Enshittification guarantees a near 100% chance they’ll do it eventually, so you’re better off preemptively moving to an alternative sooner that later.
I just fought tooth and nail to get my friends from Snapchat to signal, I dread trying to move them from discord to anywhere else
Wow, good on you for achieving that. I had a few friends and family on signal, but after they dropped SMS support they all left, now I have no signal contacts anymore.
I’m still incredibly frustrated they did that. I often heard “I’ll just text you” in reply to “I’m leaving snap”. Having an all-in-one app would’ve made that so much easier.
Exactly! I’m also frustrated Matrix didn’t end up supporting SMS either, because that would be the perfect way to get people to move over.
I’m still quite excited for matrix as well, but it’s nowhere near the polish of Signal ATM and it’s not something I’d want to be tech support for 15-ish people on
after they dropped SMS support they all left
Good luck getting them to switch to something else from now on. Signal didn’t shoot themselves in the foot, they cut their leg off.
*sets up mumble server
Do you guys think that maybe we could fool the AI with AI?
I’d like to try to verify an account using a This Person Does Not Exist generated image, but I don’t use Discord at all
I’ve tried with Facebook, but it never let’s me create an account
You can, a shitty deepfake will trick most verification systems, I’ve tested it in banks before
Holy shit this can actually be a blessing because you can fake an ID as well. Just automate the entire process I am now John Doe and so are all of you.
A smiley face drawn in MS paint could probably manage.
Typically they test videos, not images. So your AI would have to at least animate it.
Welp. As soon as this gets put in place I’m out
I would recommend Signal and maybe Tox (protocol, has several clients).
Signal is a nonprofit. They make it a point not to collect your data. Just the phone number. Military folks seem to like them.
Tox is not a centralized entity at all, anarchists seem to like it. Multiple Tox clients exist and use a common protocol and network. Messaging happens via peer-to-peer, lookups make use of servers. For messaging to occur, both communicating parties have to be online, so don’t expect much convenience.
Oh my God it’s been so many years since I’ve heard of tox I set up a q-tox account years ago, then no one used the platform so I just let it rest. I think I have my identity key is still stored on my developer sync, I forgot that platform existed
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I use signal with my wife and daughter for texting, does it also offer group servers? I keep in touch with most of my business customers through my shop’s discord server.
Yes, you can also share a server link and use a username therefore not needing to share your phone number, for bigger group chats
It does group messaging, it’s not the same as discord, but I’m not sure what all features you need in a group chat room.
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This is what it takes for you to finally leave discord? I would guess most people that have managed to stick around discord this long won’t even mind this.
What would be the alternative for discord?
Matrix or mumble
Unless i have been using matrix wrong, wouldnt it be more of an alternative to whatsapp than an alternative to discord?
This is significantly worse than anything they’ve done
I don’t use the platform, why is Discord so terrible?
Oh, the service itself is decent, up to great depending on your criteria. Pretty much never down, works well enough, etc.
It’s the privacy and bullshit behind the service that’s hated. Well, usually, some people hate the layout, and others hate the fact that it’s the default for so many people that it’s difficult to avoid.
Also don’t forget the walled garden. Some niche topics only have information and support on discord, which isn’t accessible to anyone like the general internet
Yeah, discord is excellent for what it was made: sharing memes and voice chat. But somehow it completely replaced classic discussion boards and it sucks at that.
In addition to other comments, it’s a terrible replacement for forums. Information gets buried quickly, is hard to sort and search through, and conversations get scrambled.
It’s the privacy
it’s a venture capital-backed startup that has been very eager to exit its growth phase and enter its aggressive monetization phase so it can start making its shareholders some money. They’ve already tried a few things that didn’t work, like trying to turn it into a Steam competitor.
The service to date is mostly fine. If you’re like most people who don’t mind exchanging some privacy and control for access to an app that has a nonzero professional UX design budget, it’s pretty fantastic. But the writing has been on the wall for a long time that enshittification is near on the horizon. It’s not a question of if, but how soon.
I stopped using Discord way back when it always spun up my fans and made my phone hot just leaving it open.
if that happens to me and discord wants me to send selfies to my self,Am going to Matrix and maybe use my discord alt to take to my friends who dont wanna use matrix.
Better start doing it now.
Tried that with my friends. They simply rolled their eyes and laughed.
its hard to do due to mentioned reason and btw i got banned from discord back in 2020 made a acc again in 2021 and i already use matrix
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Ai being trained on more ai imaged
bye bye!
Does anybody have any suggestions for alternatives for chats?
I use it a lot for classes (students use them) and video games.
I used to use TeamSpeak. Very cross platform, as it should be. It still has great reviews although I haven’t dug that far into the privacy aspect yet
Mumble is an open source version of Teamspeak.
The fact that Teamspeak server is closed or restricted source means it’s going to enshittify eventually
