Probably not a good title to seek upvotes. If it does get upvotes, more programmers get share in your pain 😅
Relevant XKCD : https://xkcd.com/859/
I can’t officially support this fork 😝
I work as an embedded developer and when a new board is produced and half tested, every one expects fully functional code off the bat, right away.
Motherfucker, you didn’t even qualify your hardware and you expect my code, that hasn’t hit the new board, to be 100% functional, based on your mind map? We will find hardware issues that will inevitably be blamed on the code and spend hours “debugging” the code to eventually find out the hardware is shit.
I thought the joke here was that your unbalanced parentheses would make me angry (they did))
… is that not the point of the title?
I clicked into the post expecting more text and then realized that was the joke.
Congrats OP, I am both upset and entertained!
I mean, the headline of this post already makes me irrationally angry. 😂
Y u no close brackets!?
I think that’s the joke, Clyde!
I have this great idea for an app, we can go 70/30 on it! 70 for me because the idea is the hardest part after all. So basically it’s Twitter plus Facebook plus Tinder with a built in MMO. You can get that done in a couple weeks, should be pretty easy right?
Tinder MMO huh? You may be onto something…
But, if you want my opinion, I want 15%
[Object object]
Actually it’s [object Object]
Ah, piss. So it is.
I’m going to blame it on autocorrect, even though we both know I just got it wrongIt’s fine, we all know what you meant.
Figure out if they prefer spaces or tabs, insist on the other.
Please note this won’t work on Pythonistas as they’ve already had their spirit thoroughly broken.
A haiku for you:
Tabs or four spaces
Never a semicolon
Broken in spirit
I’ve only ever heard raging between the two, but never why. I’m guessing there were competing languages with different standards, or maybe historic hardware limiting input sets that kicked this debate off or?
A few languages force a decision (usually towards tabs), but otherwise it’s just a question of aesthetics vs. accessibility.
I see.
My worst experience was with spaces in code from an engineering professor who used a non-monospace typefont. Sadist. Though it was comic sans, they were probably just dyslexic. Despite the class focusing on numerical methods, we had to hand write Matlab code on paper using proper syntax. I have no clue why. Never learned much numerical method, nor were we ever allowed to use Matlab except on a few “projects” during the term. I found out about the spaces when i had to debug his example code he gave as solutions(which we were graded against). I saw errors and had to confirm i wasn’t losing my mind. …I wasn’t. Anyways there was a mix of spaces and tabs to align the comic sans.
TLDR: I couldn’t care less. Just don’t code in word, and use a monospace font.
What if you use tabs for indentations and space for alignment?
It’s alright… but have you considered spaces for indentation and tabs for alignment?
Uh, that would be infuriating to see. (Yes, I can see tabs in KDE Kate)
I feel like this is a debate that doesn’t exist - 4 spaces bound to tab is the only actual answer.
Hard tabs are much better as someone who works with an age diverse team where vision issues are a serious issue. Four space tabs are optimal for you but there are other lived experiences.
most things seem to have settled on this, but tabs are so much better for accessibility. programmers with bad vision can have trouble differentiating smaller indentation levels, while some of them just bump the font size up so high that 4 spaces takes up too much screen space. each one can set a tab width that is comfortable for them. https://alexandersandberg.com/articles/default-to-tabs-instead-of-spaces-for-an-accessible-first-environment/ has some good arguments
with a forced formatter and a configured editor there really isn’t any argument for spaces
Makefiles require tabs. Spaces don’t work. I hate it.
For python, see which one they use and secretly replace a single indentation with the other.
Insist they index from 1. Like God and Fortran intended it. ;)
And Lua!
And Julia!
Fuck C and it’s lazy shit pointer arithmetic array indexing shortcut. I.e. you just add the index × size(t) to the array pointer.
Bounds checking? We’ve heard of it.
It’s fast though.
so what if it’s 100x slower /nosarc
Like riding a motorcycle in a tee shirt and shorts.
And sun glasses, don’t forget the aviators.
While Mr “I can’t code without a garbage collector” is still putting on his backplate of “oh no pointers are bad” and a duck typed full face helmet, to ride his interpreted moped, the big boys, Mr C-ool and Mr ASSembly, are already downing grain alcohol at the finish line.
But then again I really don’t like to step out of my embedded RTOS bubble. It really depends on what you want to accomplish and how complicated your system is.
embedded RTOS
That sounds like a domain where memory safety is secondary to size and speed… though compile time memory safety guarantees could help.
Good thing we have so many options!
This is the hardest I’ve seen a someone try to not mention Rust. I’m actually impressed.
Have you seen rust? I couldn’t code like that, what a silly language https://lemmy.world/post/26105353
I’ve ridden a motorbike in a T-shirt and kilt before. That’s … fun …
And MATLAB!
MATLAB is basically a UI wrapper around Fortran’s BLAS and LAPACK – change my mind. ;)
Html is a programming language.
That’s right there with calling JS, PowerShell and Bash “programming languages”. I said what I said.
Edit: I’m a developer myself and it looks like I triggered everyone just as the post said. Thanks for playing!
I think what people generally mean when they say programming language (other than just a language to write a program) is that the language is turing complete. Even with this more limited definition, JavaScript, Bash, and Powershell are turing complete and therefore programming languages.
Tell me you don’t know what a programming language is without telling me you don’t know what a programming language is
tbf javascript is not a programming language, it is the language of the devil
What if the devil is a programmer?
Would explain a lot of things actually
You guys are too slow, we need to hire more of you and let the sales teams use AI to add features the client asks without waiting for you.
AI can code now, in 2 mins I can create an app, so it shouldn’t take you long to make changes to this 10year old product.
Micromanagement to speed up product release date. Daily meeting and status reports, work breakout categories such as ‘code design’, ‘code development’, ‘code documentation’, etc,etc (flash back gif of Apache helicopters flying over a jungle
Replace a semicolon (;) with a Greek Question mark (;), provided they’re working in a language that uses semicolons at the end of every line, and their IDE doesn’t highlight the difference (which some do now)
Fun fact, Rust has a special error message for this:
Unicode character ‘;’ (Greek Question Mark) looks like a semicolon, but it is not.
It also detects other potentially confusing Unicode characters, like the division slash which looks like
/.Replace all spaces with the unicode non-breaking space that looks the same.
Although I know at least some language servers will detect this and mark it as an error, lol.
Correctly highlight when a programmer is being assumptive as a brick, even when assumptions are one of the biggest sins in programming. Done, you’ve triggered a lot of programmers.
