Where would you move to ride out a potential WWIII?
Chatham Islands ?
I chose Tasmania, am here now… I dont think anywhere is but i am hoping it’s lesser and i am not the literal tip of the spear.
Albiet the poulation is older, white, conservative, religious so there is that problem.
How do you like Tasmania?
Where would you move to ride out a potential WWIII?
Australia. There really is no better place in the event of nuclear war. It’s a continent-island, meaning easy to defend, it grows and can build just about anything, and being in the southern hemisphere it should be safe from nuclear winter.
Specifically, a rural property somewhere agricultural. Maybe Queensland or Tasmania.
If you could move anywhere to minimize the impact on you of the worldwide rise of fascism…
That’s almost a different question, though. Whichever European country is the most securely democratic. There’s lots of non-war ways fascism can suck aggressively.
Australian here, we’re in the shit. A good chunk of our rural voters support the LNP (who are doing everything they can to copy Trump). Universal healthcare has been slashed down to an inch of its life, and employment prospects are terrible for most everyone under 50.
If you’re looking to escape the rise of facism, don’t. Come. Here. We’re lockstepping with the US and unless our upcoming election goes beautifully, we’ll get even worse.
Australian here. I think that’s a pretty negative take.
Our healthcare is fucking amazing. I have a young family. My wife had a complex pregnancy. The care we received was just amazing. The specialist team was the best of the best. Astonishingly professional and well credentialed. State govt paid for an apartment in Perth for 3 months so we could be near her specialist. We didn’t pay a dime for any of it.
It’s true that we are sliding to the right, but less so than most other western nations. We are no where near as messed up as the US. Even France, UK, and Germany are much further right than us. We currently have a progressive government who is polling well leading into the election.
We pretty much have full employment. I’m hiring presently. I interviewed a candidate today who I will need to offer $40 an hour instead of the $28 an hour in the award.
Things could be better, but our quality of life is dramatically better than the average Americans.
I did split the question in two.
Peter Thiel has new Zealand citizenship, so you should be safe there. He would never allow his bunker to get jeopardized
Yeah it might be safe from nuclear winter but it is Australia it already has 10billion other things that can easily kill you.
That feeling when you survive the apocalypse only to get stung by a platypus and regret that you survived.
A platypus you mean Perry the platypus
That show would have been way darker if Perry had ever employed the fact he’s a venomous mammal.
Actually, it was a missed opportunity not to go with a female Perry and have an egg-hatching subplot. Their version of the platypus really didn’t do much.
South America is a better place to go in a nuclear war, Australia is in NATO along with NZ, so it’s a target. Can’t really think of any particular targets in South America.
They are not in NATO, actually. That requires proximity to the Atlantic. They’re Western though, that’s true. Being in a city could be a bit of a risk.
In South America or southern Africa you’re going to deal with waves of people trying to expand in from the north. No way of life escapes that unscathed. Not to mention, the projections for food scarcity on other continents aren’t nearly as rosy, if there’s soot in the upper atmosphere, maybe because of the higher population to start with.
And then there’s poverty as a whole separate dimension of things. Here or in Australia I’m pretty sure the capacity to build things like generators will continue. In the third world there’s absolutely no guarantee.
Oh sorry, you’re right, they’re a partner of NATO but not in it.
I would expect Australia to be important in a conflict with China, so unless you expect it not to happen, it really isn’t that great.
I’d expect them to stay out of it at this point, actually. They want to expand into the pacific, and the US and East Asian democracies want to stop them. Meanwhile, Australia also has affinities with now-distinct Europe, isn’t directly in the way of any of that, and depends heavily on China for trade.
And, even if it did become involved, dealing with a Chinese occupation isn’t going to be as hard as a nuclear winter or the total breakdown of modern civilisation.
I think we should go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for all of this to blow over.
All well and good until you turn up to see Farage posing with a pint.
you’d certainly be able to have a freer conversation than on .ml
hurrrr ml 🥴
it seems a balance of -15 people don’t believe me. do you think i should explain?
I’m put of the loop on this.
I know ml are tankies but what has happened in the last few days?
I’m one of the lucky ones! Because of my service to our great country fighting against those dirty communists, when the bombs fall my family and I will be safe and sound, underground, in one of the local vaults in our area: Vault 108!
Oh shit… I just realized that it’s only a matter of time until Musk starts building vaults. Probably with a much worse name like vaultX
Dude that’s a long since passed look at the vaults in Hawaii with zuck. I hope they choke down there. Remember they all have air filters.
Xault
It will be a boring name.
He’s more likely to call it Deus Vault
X Dungeon
My crazy mom says she’s looking to move to Uruguay because when the nukes start falling they will most likely not have a ton of fallout to deal with.
I’m gonna run toward the light in that kind of scenario, personally. Nature will rebuild. In a WWIII scenario, the winner is evolution. Life will, uh, find its way.
It’s five and I’m driving home again
It’s hard to believe that it’s my last time
The man on the wireless cries again
“It’s over, it’s over”
It’s late and I’m with my love alone
We drink to forget the coming storm
We love to the sound of our favorite song
Over and over
Dancing, with tears in my eyes
Weeping for the memory of a life gone by
Dancing, with tears in my eyes
Living out a memory of a love that died
Don’t you do this to me, lemmy689. Don’t you hurt me with your heartfelt soliloquys and your lustful eyes
When the world ends, collect your things, you’re coming with me…
Behind the Bastards had a Christmas special non-bastard episode on the Tupamaros of Uruguay and Pepe Mujica. It does seem like they have some decent politics there.
Mujica might be the best politician that I saw in my life
Depends, are we riding out the rise of fascism or riding out WWIII? Those are two highly different scenarios.
Either way, a Pacific island sounds nice.
Not with rising sea levels
Fair. A boat anchored at a Pacific Island, while they exist.
Maybe I’ll dock at the Pacific garbage patch and distill my fuel from microplastics.
A proto-Waterworld scenario!
No gills for me, sadly.
The Pacific Garbage patch isn’t solid enough to dock on.
Also, Pacific atolls will be fucked, but high islands will be fine.
I think I am stuck in Texas
Okay, Newfoundland.
Totally agree, but you really never know where would be insulated from everything
I mean surely in the 1930s Hawaii felt like an excellent place to be insulated from war…
Ever read the book On the Beach?
Closest I’ve read is Lord of the Flies.
Hah very different themes I’d say.
On the Beach is about all the people who thought it’d be a good idea to move to Australia in case all the nukes drop during the Cold War, and then the nukes drop and everyone in the northern hemisphere dies and they survive, but then they realize they’re just waiting for the natural wind patterns to bring all the radiation over to them to kill them too. The only way to win is not to play.
So similar in that they’re both very dismal.
I read a short story with a very similar theme, could have been that book.
I’m staying right here in the imperial core where I can inflict the most damage when the time comes.
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Just teleport me to L3 and be done with it. Earth-Moon, Sun-Earth, doesn’t matter.
What or where is L3?
While Latin America is, overall, a good choice, it’s important to recognize that the mask off fascism we are seeing from the US will only increase the meddling they already do on their “backyard”, so keep that in mind.
Was gonna say that.
It was pretty safe in the last two world wars.
If you weren’t living under one of the US sponsored dictatorships, sure.
Which countries are you talking about?
Costa Rica, Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Venezuela, Peru, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay and Brazil and probably more I’ve failed to remember.
That’s was after WWII, during WWII Latin America was a “safe” heaven
I suppose if your only concern is whether a bomb is going to drop on you, you are correct. But maybe you should consider if being kidnapped, tortured and killed without your family ever knowing what actually happened to you is “safe”
“Which countries” basically all of them since the 1800s
Bold to presume that we would want to survive it.
Fwiw Musk says that he wants to leave Earth and go to Mars, which is great news for the rest of us:-).
To be fair, in Musk’s fantasy Mars is the easier planet to live on.
It’s not. The story about mars allowed Musk to build the rockets to launch the StarLink satellites.
Given the preparation for war with China, can we exclude that those satellites carry payloads to take down intercontinental missiles?
Otherwise the USA could feel safe and be willing to engage in a nuclear war.
Everyone saying Latin America has absolutely no clue about what Latin America is, lol. The only place safe from fascism rn is either another planet or being dead.
As a Costa Rican, I agree. Hell, we even have one of trumps deportation (concentration) camps over here
Any plans to start saving up to move elsewhere, by the way?
No. Moving elsewhere is a high emotional and financial cost that I will avoid until it is not possible to avoid anymore (also, where in the world is safe of fascism rn?)
I could give a ton of counter examples based only in Brazil
As a Puerto Rican, I am very upset about all the fascism taking place in our federal government
Argentina probably. Generally the southern hemisphere is pretty safe. Nobody’s wasting nukes on brown people, except maybe Israel.
Wouldn’t bet on argentina. They’ve got their own dickhead in chief who’s also waging war against progress.
Yeah, it may not be the best choice, but not the worst either. They’re not much of a threat to the big powers, and if they just stay out of it they’ll probably come through fine.
You’ve got a lot more faith in the system than I do, I think. I don’t think people like Milei wouldn’t coup if a global conflict that strained trade routes were to happen. Authoritarians like him don’t need much prodding to take advantage of a bad situation.
Big hypothetical, ik, but it wouldn’t surprise me if people like him leaned on fascist legacy.
Argentinians are mostly white.
Most Americans have no idea how historically similar the US and Argentina actually were. It’s honestly weird that Argentina’s similar circumstances didn’t turn it into a great power like the US.
Somewhere in South America. Always wanted to go the Falklands. In reality I don’t have the money for that. So I’m here on this hell ride to the bitter end.
If the world goes to shit and the UK is fighting with Russia, would Milei try to grab the Falklands?
We’ll know what the right answer was after it passes.
Most of the violence and oppression gets exported, so it’s probably best to just sit tight here in the heart of the empire.
If I were to stay in the U.S., I’d probably go to Hawaii, probably Maui or Lanai.
Hawai’i will be a main base of operations for strategic command and targeted as a result. The islands are crawling with the US military and then there is the naval installation at Pearl Harbor. If I had to go with an island in the chain though, I would choose Moloka’i. That is if the locals would have me. They are more self sustaining there.
I recommend against Hawaii. It’s not exactly self sustaining since there are too many people living there. Housing/rent is crazy high so there are many homeless. Everything is much more expensive. Jobs can be hard to find. The islands are sinking. Storms still hit every season. Depending on the island, you may be dealing with volcanic eruptions and vog. And I do believe their coral reefs are bleaching. It sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Then factor in the locals, they only want locals living there and to restore their Hawaiian Kingdom, #GoHomeHaole. Best to pick somewhere else.
Oh I agree. I don’t belong there being the primary reason I wouldn’t, among others you listed. I love it there and I have long term generational personal connections, but out of respect, I would not choose to live there. Aloha I ko’u 'Ohana.
There are no military bases on maui. Just a few armories and a small national guard station.
