meatwad is dumb tho

Adverbs are like the next stage of Pokémon evolution to pronouns

Yeah, duh. They’re proverbs

Finally, an actual joke. I thought we were on an internet-argument-cesspool sub.

My question is, why is there a distinction between a man identifying as a woman, an old pedo identifying as a 6 year old boy and a white woman identifying as a black one (this last one I know was real and just can’t remember the name of the person)?

hot, messy, old for me

Mine right now? Confused, curious and cute.

Basically a single transphobe came in, a load of trans hexbear users started bullying them and mocking them and that boosted the visibility of the post so that more transphobes came into the comments, but because you’re not federated with hexbear all you’re seeing is the transphobes and some people doing pushback on them

You expect something that literally threatens people with fatal violence to get sensible discussion? Sure it’s a meme and all, but shit like this is just asking for trolls to start shit. No one should get threatened with violence, even in the form of a meme or a joke and it just gives assholes more fuel and no-one wins.

Simple as

Yep! You had your chance when we were polite for you to be polite. You weren’t. That wasn’t going to last forever. You made your bed. Now you can lie in it for as long as you want because you’re not gonna be able to walk.

Suffer in silence.

Physical violence and taking out the trash are the only proven methods of extinguishing the intolerant.

Under absolutely no circumstances will nazis and bigots be tolerated or allowed to feel safe. Live and let live or find yourself in an untenable position.

Violence begets violence. We are nominally adults. We can use words and choose not to associate with others instead of being the aggressor.

iam with you my frien

You know people are born with genitalia that doesn’t match their chromosomes? If you can be born with the wrong or both genitalia, isn’t equally possible to be born with the “wrong” brain makeup? Additionally scientist believe the more social the animal species, the more queer their sexual habits become. As the most social animals ever, it’s only common sense that our population has different mental and physical differences in order to better understand each other? Trans gender people offer such a boon to understanding humanity. They are a piece of the puzzle to getting past isms. (sexism, racism, etc.)

You should probably do some research on the subject. Intersex and trans people exist however uncomfortable you feel about it. They just want to exist without their existence constantly being questioned.

How do you feel about Joe Rogan taking HRT then? Or gong to the gym? Changing your body is “disrespecting genetics?” No, the issue you take is the social transition. You want to treat people like shit and feel justified in it. Feel free! Enjoy yourself. Just don’t bitch and whine when Meatwad gets you.

Who are you, Ian Malcom?

I will answer everyone of your questions if, after, you answer 5 questions of mine. Deal?

Oh fuck off

I have had trans people try to convince me that I am trans

To be fair the only people that think about trans people as much as you seem to think about them are people who are questioning their gender or nazis. You should be grateful they assume the best of you instead of just calling you out for what you are while smashing your face in.

How about instead of downvoting and telling me to fuck off

ok i want VIOLENCE

So, I started writing a (very) long answer with lots of detail, to respectfully and honestly answer your questions, from the PoV of a non-trans person that did quite a bit of research, but I stopped.

I just can’t. Neither can I be respectful towards you anymore. Your constant misuse of the term “mental illness” is aggravating, and quite frankly, disturbing. To the point I am wondering if it isn’t, in fact, a cry for help.

Are you mentally ill? Do you need help? It would really seem that you do.

Just as a thought to ponder: when most other people are mentally ill, maybe you should consider seeing a shrink.

I also want to correct a few things, not for the user I’m answering to, but for anyone reading my comment, because I just can’t let such a heap of manure stand uncorrected:

1. There is no such thing as “physical gender”. Gender is a coercion and domination religious tool.
2. Being trans, or identifying as a different gender, is a means to escape religious shackles. Escaping religious shackles isn’t “mental illness”.
3. “Mental abnormalities” are bullshit. We aren’t computers, we are humans, and all different. There is no normal, except maybe the norm that most dimwitted people have no issue with LARPing a bullshit character decided for them, their entire life…
4. Comparing “AD(H)D, BPD, Schizophrenia, etc” is exactly like comparing “bud light, meth, crack, etc”. I know that on the post-2015-internet people talk mostly out of their asses, but that doesn’t make it ok.
5. Dysmorphia is a mental disorder. Dysphoria is “acute anxiety”. Again with the mental disorder implication.
6. Force feeding medication to alleged “mentally sick” people is a nazi method. A humane approach is to provide care. As in talking with them, listening to them, helping realize, overcome traumas, (re)constructing an identity, etc.
7. Feeling uneasy with one’s body is common, it is caused by the image communicated by society about what a “desirable body” is, and the difference between that image and one’s body.
8. Medical and psychological care aren’t opposed, nor they are opposable.

Someone can’t get past liberal definitionalism and thinks that the goal of LGBT+ alliances are based on necessary and sufficient conditions (“attraction, specific, others don’t count” claims) instead of understanding the goal of opposing a line of oppression everywhere it reaches. The way homophobia works is very similar to transphobia, so the fight is perfect to combine. Put the oppressors all on the wall because this chain of phobias will only change focus if you don’t end it at the root.

Then we have the gay fascists who want to just put others on the wall using similar oppression to appease their own oppressors. It’s the same function as fascists at the geographical edge of the imperialist/fascistic expropriation border.

Saying this for the people listening not to you, turtle power. You’re an asshole and only shame can possibly make you reconsider your assholery

Fix your heart or die.

Firstly it is called gender dysphoria and not dysmorphia and secondly they tried to medicate us or use conversion therapy but that only made the people that this was done to more depressed and possibly suicidal. If it was possible to “cure” being transgender without doing any harm to the people being treated I would be for it but as it is now, pretty much the only way to alleviate our dysphoria is to transition socially and medicinically.

And for someone that says that they support our human rights you dont seem to give a shit about our bodily autonomy and I dont think that you hold cis people that underwent plastic surgery to the same standard as us.

Don’t really understand why I’m jumping into the garbage fire here, but here we go.

Let’s assume it’s accurate to classify being trans as a mental illness, just for the sake of argument. What if I told you we’ve tried pure psychological treatment and other medical interventions for trans people before - similar, interestingly enough, to L, G, B, and Q people* - and it is simply ineffective? What if I told you, after many years and unnecessarily dead humans, affirmation of identified gender, hormone treatment and surgical intervention was found to be the most effective means available for resolving the suffering inherent in the condition?

Let’s also assume that despite this illness, a trans person is otherwise deemed fit and capable for rational decision making. You’d need evaluation by a psychiatrist to ensure this is true (which generally happens), but if so they have a fundamental right to bodily autonomy. Who are you or I to tell them what they can or cannot do to their bodies? Hell, if you right now wanted to surgically alter your dick to be comically large, if you’re otherwise capable of decision-making (and a third party can attest to this), would you accept someone saying you can’t, assuming you’ve accepted the possible risks?

End of the day, trans people are normal people who happen to have a disconnect between self-image and physical presentation based on hormone makeup and bodily form, and suffer quite a bit due to it. Transitioning is a game changer for most, and allows them to participate more effectively in the wider world without that baggage.

All you need to do is use a preferred pronoun, as community acceptance is a big, if low effort, part of the ‘cure’. If you get it wrong, 99% of the time you’ll be politely corrected. No one is going to crucify you for this.

Now, you can actively choose not to for whatever reason - but all that really does is make you an asshole in the eyes of many. Why? Because you’re reinforcing something that causes another human pain, and what for? What does this accomplish for yourself, the trans person you’re talking to, and your wider community, exactly?

I’m personally shocked this is such a hot button issue. Let other humans be whatever the hell they want to be, if they are competent to make decisions for themselves and ‘changing’ reduces their suffering. The world’s burning, we have more pressing concerns than what our fellow humans have or don’t have in their pants.

*A omitted simply because I don’t know if asexual people were subject to anything like treatment for gay, lesbian or queer people at the hands of psychiatry and medicine more broadly historically. I imagine not, but I could be 100% wrong, and am without question uninformed.

How about instead of downvoting and telling me to fuck off

No, fuck off

Mental disorders are a social construct. Gender is too. That means they are “real” but only insofar as we ascribe meaning to them collectively as a society.

Why do you think The Gay is no longer considered a mental disorder? Do you think we just… discovered something out in the rainforest that proved Gay to be Normal? No, we recognized that it’s a bigoted and harmful way to respond to human behavior.

Also, the reason people don’t want to engage with you is because you’re a giant fucking twat repeating some of the most hateful rhetoric while claiming civility. Go fuck yourself you loathesome piece of garbage. If you really think you’re queer then you really must be one of the most self-hating pieces of shit on Lemmy.

into the cuck pit you go

Shut the fuck up lmao

I hope you get stuck in traffic for a comically long amount of time on your morning commute. I hope both sides of your pillow are lukewarm. I hope you shit your pants in a social gathering and have to awkwardly crabwalk out of the center of the crowd while everyone levels you ‘the look’. I hope you burn your tongue and everything tastes weird for the rest of the day. I hope you stammer for a good six seconds trying to bail out on the improper ‘you too’ you offered the waitress serving you food while she just hovers there, expecting something she has to add on to the order, but ultimately not receiving it as your attempt to recover fizzles out with a whimper. I hope you sleep weird on your shoulder and it aches for the rest of the week. I hope you bite your cheek. I wish you a constant stream of unfortunate and inconvenient happenings

Because it isn’t a delusion? Delusions are very specific things in mental health and having a different view of your gender than what society assigns to you isn’t a delusion like say thinking my wife is out to kill me which would be a delusion since I don’t have a wife.

Gender dysmorphia does exist but it isn’t something every transperson experiences. The medical solution to gender dysmorphia is transitioning to your perceived gender.

Basically you are fundamentally mistaken in everything you seem to be convinced of. I think this is a moment for you to ask yourself to what extent are you actually educated in mental health as that seems to be the root of your confusion.

Oh just fuck off you transphobic, ableist piece of shit.

You come here saying the most ignorant, insensitive crap and then try to demand people to answer you?

And stop with the LGB bullshit. Will it take you imbeciles having your skulls literally crushed by fascists to realize that siding with this alt-right rethoric is the wrong fucking thing to do?

go rewatch harry potter. stop posting because you suck at it.

It is not a physical gender issue, it is a mental health issue

hi have you considered going and fucking yourself? it is definitely a more useful thing to do than post this bullshit on the internet

Regardless, they are human beings and should be treated as such, with all the rights that go along with it.

And what rights are those, according to you? What human rights do you want for yourself?

Mental health issues are treated medically all the time. Drugs + therapy are common treatments for nearly all mental health issues. Who’s to say that gender dysphoria (not dysmorphia) isn’t treated the same?

And if someone wants to physically alter their body to match their preferred gender, what’s it to you? Honestly why do you care so much? I can’t help but imagine those like you as those codgy people with antiquated ideals, spewing hate and judgement because someone has tattoos or body piercings.

Follow your leader

like AD(H)D, BPD, Schizophrenia, etc.

Wait, you’re even invalidating people with ADHD?! That’s a first…

Fuck all the way off.

Okay so from the threads from this comment, I can tell you’re absolutely not being a bad person here. I will even agree with it being a mental issue, but it is closely tied to the unwellbeing in their own biological body. There is simply nothing one can to to treat this any other way than to transition, at least to a degree the individual wants to, because the body IS the cause of the mental issue. There are no meds or any type of therapy, that will make me like my body. For a transgender person it’s not a mutilation, but a relieve when they can get their desired prodecures done. They are only changing primary and secondary gender characteristics to the one they desire and in a world where plastic surgery is an accepted procedure, trans people should also be accepted to do what’s good for them.

I don’t think it is a delusion at all. But even if you think of it as a mental health issue. Wouldn’t it be more helpful to treat them in a way that makes them more comfortable? Just basic human decency. At least for me, I would feel uncomfortable or maybe even slightly offended when someone would treat me as a another gender, I don’t feel part of, especially if they know better. (Not LGBTQIA, so I can’t say much about that). Even regarding conversion therapy, their body, their choice! People do way more stupid stuff with their bodies regularly.

What the fuck did you just fucking say about trans people, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to trans people over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

Lurking more and reading on that is the way to go.

I’d only say that LGB-and-T is this way because these groups of minorities were\are historically targeted by the same sort of bigotry, so they united, shared safe spaces and were supportive of each other. You may say it was dictated by real life more than theoretical arguments. Singling out one part of it for some reason would mean abandoning them and weakening the coalition. There’s a negative probability that after trans people are excluded, other groups won’t be challenged next. You know, not long ago being gay was treated like a mental ilness and there was a conversion therapy to bully them into becoming hetero. It may start to be a thing once again.

It feels like we’re back to the first shitposts on Facebook in 2012 with people making serious comments

I’m inclined to agree. People experiencing gender dysphoria deserve our love and respect, in the same way a person with low self-esteem or anxiety or an eating disorder deserves our love, support and respect.

For example, anorexia is an eating disorder where an individual has a hypersensitivity to the perception of their body, specifically its size weight. Weight bias is another topic for another time, but suffice to say that society has people convinced that they have much more control over their weight than they actually do. People naturally come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, and that’s a good thing! Regardless, some individuals who struggle with anorexia believe that they are “too fat” and will try to limit their food intake in order to lose weight, often to an unhealthy degree.

I’m hoping that the next big social movement is a body acceptance and appreciation kind. The human body is an amazing thing. I hope we can learn how to better help people who experience gender dysphoria in the future and empower individuals struggling with their relationship with their body.

Movement?