Do you think it really doesn’t train on your data?
I’ve been using it and it looks good so far, I just ask simple questions and never let the context get too big.
It’s good that it doesn’t require login, just open and ask something.
I’ve totally switched over to noai.
I don’t want AI anywhere near my daily drivers. If I want to use AI it needs to be siloed and unable to access any of my data unless I explicitly feed something into it.
I’m talking about the duck.ai not the integrated AI on search results, I don’t use that one, I let it disabled.
Hijacking your comment to remind others of https://noai.duckduckgo.com/ The more that is used, the faster DDG may remove AI from the main page. (Hopes and dreams…)
any ideas how to add that engine to Vanadium on GrapheneOS?
Neat, in IronFox, that is already one of the search providers to choose from to set as the default. I had to manually add it to KISS, bit it is working great
KISS settings > Search settings > Add web search provider
https://noai.duckduckgo.com/?q=%25sGreat idea! Thanks for showing how to do it!
I switched entirely after they renamed their app to AI. Hopefully that helps even more.
I’m real sorry! Not to be a complete ass. But the sooner people stop using the “daily driver” phrase the better! Oceans of cringe. Please, please delete this from your vocab! Its like throwing up in the mouth every time I see this.
What would ypu suggest they use instead?
This is a ‘you’ problem
Good news: “AI” doesn’t actually exist.
True, but nowadays, and for foreseeable future, AI means what the tech bros mean by it.
It’s a frontend. Of course they don’t, it’s not their AI.
The GPT OSS can be self hosted tho.
I guess if you can trust ddg using ms search w/o sending information back, you can do the same with ai?
It’s fairly bare bones in all honesty. It does sum up initial searches fairly well but beyond that you’re not going to get much, if anything, out of it. Asking it follow up questions regarding a search is more miss than hit.
It has provided me decent initial results when I’m searching for some random linux question/solution but clarifying or expanding on initial results is useless.
That has been my experience as well. I use it extensively for searches, not for chatting.
From ArsTechnica:
According to DuckDuckGo, chats on the service are anonymized, with metadata and IP address removed to prevent tracing back to individuals. The company states that chats are not used for AI model training, citing its privacy policy and terms of use.
“We have agreements in place with all model providers to ensure that any saved chats are completely deleted by the providers within 30 days,” says DuckDuckGo, “and that none of the chats made on our platform can be used to train or improve the models.”
So there is some trust involved, but I’m inclined to believe DDG.
Everything you type in the chat box is sent to the LLM provider but they get Duck Duck Go’s IP instead of yours.
So if you type personal things its mostly just like typing them directly to ChatGPT. However, with duck.ai your IP, Browser info, Location (if shared), etc is seen by Duck Duck Go instead of OpenAI.
I don’t think DuckDuckGo is lying when they say that they don’t use your chats to train models. However, that leaves plenty for OpenAI and Duck Duck Go to do with your chats, like building shadow profiles.
I suggest that if you want to be anonymous to Duck Duck Go, then use duck.ai via vpn or tor. Always assume the content of your chat session is being logged by the LLM provider.
What do you mean by “shadow profile”?
Like a dossier which identifies you only by some ID which is used to compile data about you but never includes your direct personal info (name, email, home address, mobile number) so they don’t have to tell you or ever delete it, even under laws like GDPR.
How can they tie it to me tho? Or use it against me? Especially if behind ddg “proxy”
They can tie it to you by cross-referencing all the signals they have about you with data collected from other data collectors and aggregators. With enough data they can connect things like browser fingerprints and so-called anonymous ad IDs with your real identity.
Keep in mind that there is a good number of technical people whose job it is everyday to continuously figure out new ways to track everything they can about every person they can. These data collector and brokers have demonstrated time and again that they don’t really care about following the rules either. Here’s a good resource for more info https://noyb.eu/en
In terms of how they use it against you, this is some good info and it applies even if you aren’t American https://epic.org/issues/consumer-privacy/data-brokers/
Oh well all of this explains why I sometimes get instagram ADS which are relevant to me on my work phone even if I looked for stuff on my PC browser or smartphone (all using adblocks, deegogled android, private DNS, tracker blockers, private browsers and other preventive measures).
I didn’t realize they could literally track you probabilistically or they could tie different devices to you…
So essentially if I use my amazon account on the same PC (or on a device tied to me) that I use for looking at “cat food” I am screwed and they will know I have a cat and amazon will start advertising cat stuff to me?
I did know they tracked you, but I thought it had to be a consistent set of datas: accounts, unprotected browsing, keeping cookies for a long time etc etc… I didn’t know they could probabilistically try to catch you nor that they could so reliably tie devices togheter… I would like to know more about what they can actually do and what are preventive measures that actually works…
For example: can they (and how) get over tracker blockers? VPNs? Proxies? Private DNS? Degoogled devices/Linux?
What I’ve got to do if I want to be on the internet preserving my privacy? Should I literally stop using the internet? Should I use devices on which I do not login on a normal account ever and just use my self hosted stuff or the federated web?
And what about all the data they already have on me, it will be their’s forever??
This is getting ridiculous, we need new solutions, the internet as we now know it is completely screwed.
If you want to be extreme, you only use devices that you control all the software on and you are very careful about what software you run. You always use a killswitch vpn. You choose carefully the websites you use and you use all the standard counter measures (ublockorigin,DoH,uMatrix,pihole,etc) at all times. You keep another laptop that has whatever you need to install to be able to use your bank and the online shopping you can’t live without. You use it for nothing else.
Even then its not perfect. I’m pretty sure that all Android, iOS, and Windows devices track the wifi access point name and mac address of all the ones you use. They also track the location of all the access points as seen by everyone elses location enabled devices. Easy for them to combine that to basically know where every visible wifi in the world is.
Interesting to see comments on this. I’m a bit suspicious, understanding the costs involved.
Don’t want it, don’t need it.
Makes no difference to me; I don’t put anything into search that I would care about them using in training.
i try not to use AI too often, but when i do have a question i like the interchangeability of the models, so when I feel that one model is too lobotomised to get my question i change it for another and compare it. i trust what ddg says about respecting privacy, i don’t trust the backend llm suppliers though, i don’t have any illusions about that.
i also think the premium through duck.ai option could be interesting if you are a professional user because it still offers the interchangeability option.
but still, it should not be integrated on the main search page, and search should be revamped. normally the first results i get are for some social media presence of a restaurant somewhere halfway around the world instead of the wikipedia article on the main subject that made the name famous in the first place.
also the domain owners of duck.au, duck.si and others are getting a lot of traffic
How do you check if a domain is getting traffic? I thought only the owner could see that
I honestly just type “duc” then let the browser auto complete it. After you enter “duck.ai” correctly a few times
They got all “i am a app!” since yesterday and don’t work on my firefox profile anymore. That’s all.
I hate AI being shoved into everything. I’ve been using https://noai.duckduckgo.com/ and am very happy with it.
Is that an official noAI version of DDG?
Yes it is. No AI results by default.
If you are talking about free ai, the cost is your data.
Just use 4get. It’s a privacy focused proxy search engine that supports multiple backends. No telemetry, no tracking, no bloat.
Repository: https://git.lolcat.ca/lolcat/4get
I actually like the search overviews, they yap a lot less than Google and usually give the correct answer within the first sentence
I like it. There are some questions I need a quick answer for. Code syntax for example. I don’t need to read stack exchange. I just need the one quick thing.
