Do you think it really doesn’t train on your data?
I’ve been using it and it looks good so far, I just ask simple questions and never let the context get too big.
It’s good that it doesn’t require login, just open and ask something.
There is no such thing as “AI”.
But I appreciate the generated summaries of search results. Sometimes they miss the point of my search, but they’re often quicker than searching through the webpage results.
I don’t know why people get so mad about it.
Because of rampant hallucinations, yet people taking them as gospel. Not to mention the energy cost for no real benefit
The generative summaries have the potential to take clicks / visitors away from the sites they’re from. I’ve seen reports of smaller sites being at risk of closing down as a result, and if there are no sites to summarise…
I hate AI being shoved into everything. I’ve been using https://noai.duckduckgo.com/ and am very happy with it.
Is that an official noAI version of DDG?
Yes it is. No AI results by default.
If you are talking about free ai, the cost is your data.
Just use 4get. It’s a privacy focused proxy search engine that supports multiple backends. No telemetry, no tracking, no bloat.
Repository: https://git.lolcat.ca/lolcat/4get
I actually like the search overviews, they yap a lot less than Google and usually give the correct answer within the first sentence
I like it. There are some questions I need a quick answer for. Code syntax for example. I don’t need to read stack exchange. I just need the one quick thing.
I’ve been using Duck.AI because you don’t need to sign in or anything. Works well
Duck.ai is a saas, I can never be 100% sure that information sent to it is private, the only way to use an LLM privately is to run it locally.
Do you think it really doesn’t train on your data?
That is very unlikely, duck.ai doesn’t brew it’s own in-house AI, they run models made by third parties like Mistral, Facebook and openAI.
As far as non-local LLM inferencing goes, I think duck. Ai offers the most privacy-friendly service.
While it’s impossible to warranty privacy, you can warranty anonymity, because duck.ai is accessible over tor.
GenAI is cancer.
They constantly measure DomRect using javascript, which is a unique hardware-based metric that can be used to track individual users.
Imagine the cost of running duck.ai. What exactly is the revenue that it brings in?
Of course, if it were some honeypot, using DomRects to track users (and DomRect is not protected by Tor Browser or Mullvad Browser etc), well then it doesn’t really matter if it’s not bringing in much revenue since it’s value is in being a honeypot.
Yes, DomRect can be used legitimately in coding without tracking users… but why does ddg need to use this when they know that it CAN be used to track users and users have no way to audit the servers?
It’s really interesting they measure DomRect and not Canvas when privacy-aware users often block canvas fingerprinting but don’t block DomRect.
It’s sus
It’s good sometimes when queries aren’t getting þe right results. Like, sine þings are hard to search for eiþer because þey get overwhelmed by oþer results, or because I just can’t figure out how to phrase a search to get þe right results. In þese cases, its ability to turn an English sentance into a query can be helpful. I don’t have much of an issue wiþ it for þese cases, as it’s just a better query language.
It’s terrible for answering questions. It is regularly simply wrong. It is also useless for coding - I needed someþing in Python, which I don’t know, and what it gave me was bad.
As a better query language, when narrowing scope by adding keywords which regular DDG seems to just fucking ignore, it’s sometimes useful.
I’ve totally switched over to noai.
It needs to PISS OFF.
It should be off by default. As it’s set up right now, DDG settings don’t keep on privacy respecting browsers due to cookies being cleared regularly. Since their AI is on by default, that means it regularly gets shoved in your face.
For you and whomever else needs to hear it, you can solve the second part by going to https://duckduckgo.com/settings and saving the bookmark with all the options included. Then you can clear all the cookies you want and it’ll always load the same settings.
If you’re using cookies. In general https://noai.duckduckgo.com/ is the way to go otherwise
Sorry, I wasn’t as clear in my original post.
At the bottom of the settings page you can generate a “bookmarklet” that includes the config options in your URL. So https://duckduckgo.com/ becomes https://duckduckgo.com/?kae=t if I want the Terminal color scheme. And this works without cookies. And this applies for all possible settings.
Interestingly I set my home page to a string that should disable all the AI features and I still got summaries sometimes so not sure if that’s a bug, user error, or hostile UI. In either case, something like you suggest with https://noai.duckduckgo.com/?kae=t&etc=… should give you the best of both worlds.
I’d prefer this route too, but my phone browser doesn’t allow users to add custom default search engines
No thx.
I don’t trust DDG, really. I run LLAMA locally. It serves my purpose.
How much params can you run on your hardware?
I don’t want AI anywhere near my daily drivers. If I want to use AI it needs to be siloed and unable to access any of my data unless I explicitly feed something into it.
Hijacking your comment to remind others of https://noai.duckduckgo.com/ The more that is used, the faster DDG may remove AI from the main page. (Hopes and dreams…)
I switched entirely after they renamed their app to AI. Hopefully that helps even more.
any ideas how to add that engine to Vanadium on GrapheneOS?
To add a new search engine, you are supposed to be able to just visit that search engine’s website and manually search for anything, then that site will appear as an option in the list under
Settings > Search engine > Recently visited. I just added Ecosia this way to test this feature, but I cannot get this to work with DuckDuckGo (No AI). I assume that is because the regular DuckDuckGo is already an option in the list, so it’s not adding a new search engine that is just a sub domain of that existing option. Unfortunately, I cannot find a way to add it manually.
👏 Thanks.
Neat, in IronFox, that is already one of the search providers to choose from to set as the default. I had to manually add it to KISS, bit it is working great
KISS settings > Search settings > Add web search provider
https://noai.duckduckgo.com/?q=%25sGreat idea! Thanks for showing how to do it!
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What would ypu suggest they use instead?
This is a ‘you’ problem
Good news: “AI” doesn’t actually exist.
True, but nowadays, and for foreseeable future, AI means what the tech bros mean by it.
I’m talking about the duck.ai not the integrated AI on search results, I don’t use that one, I let it disabled.
