• ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip
    172·
    16 hours ago

    These meme reduces him from a brilliant scientist to “lol he gay” just like the British government did after the war. Why do people upvote this homophobic shit?

    • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip
      3·
      5 hours ago

      Why do people upvote this homophobic shit?

      I took it as a celebration of his life, with a dash of “Hey, as a gay man, life is way better, today.”

      I’m not sure “reduces him (Alan Turing) from a brilliant scientist” is possible, on Lemmy.

      We don’t have saints here, but if we that ever changes, Alan Turing and Ada Lovelace will probably be our first and second second and third saints (edit: apologies to Feed Rogers. I feel silly.).

      Edit: Heck, this is fun. Here’s a proposal for our first round inductee Saints of Lemmy candidates:

      • Fred Rogers (Automatic round one draft pick.)

      Then for consideration to complete our first induction year:

      • Alan Turing
      • Ada Lovelace
      • Bob Ross

      And if living people can be inducted:

      • Linux Torvalds
      • Christine Lemmer-Webber
      • Members of the production teams behind Mr Rogers Neighborhood, Sesame Street, Blues Clues + It might take a few years to induct everyone who deserves it.

      I might keep returning to this list. Lots of folks deserve credit here.

      • SippyCup@lemmy.world
        8·
        12 hours ago

        Homophobic might be a bit far but it is sexist and stupid. Not terribly different from saying that if Marie Curie were alive she’d go straight to tinder instead of entering the debate about atomic energy.

  • FiniteBanjo@feddit.onlineEnglish
    31·
    21 hours ago

    TBF most people don’t understand his concept of a Turing Test. The test was an in-person interview with no set questions or time limit, simply a human expert taking as long as they needed to determine humanity.

    • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
      12·
      20 hours ago

      Also if you look at the technology of his time, there was no reason to think there’d be this huge explosion of information enough that you’d be able to just stitch a hundred million books and petabytes of online forums’ worth of text together into a statistical next token predictor.

      In his time there were maybe at most 4 million publications in all of existence (extrapolating from https://www.clrn.org/how-many-books-have-been-published-in-history/ ) which finger-in-the-air estimate would be ~2Tb; a tiny fraction of what’s on the internet now. Even if he’d anticipated the invention of the transistor and microchip technology, the brain he was imagining still would have had to be able to reason in the traditional way; an LLM trained entirely on Project Gutenberg would not come close to passing the Turing Test no matter how many parameters you built it with. To Turing, passing as human would have meant possessing a capacity of reason beyond assigning probability values to a list of potential autocompletes based on what’s in all the other texts.

      • FiniteBanjo@feddit.onlineEnglish
        14·
        20 hours ago

        Fr, one of the best examples of this is if you take a classic riddle and add some minor change to it then LLMs will find it suddenly impossible to solve.

        • SippyCup@lemmy.world
          6·
          17 hours ago

          My favorite is making up a nonsense idiom for an llm to tell me the meaning of.

          “What does it mean when someone says ‘he’s not your grandma but she can fix a canoo?’”

    • dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de
      2·
      18 hours ago

      Well, even without everything that happened to him, he would have died from old age by now. Might have had a chance to see the rise of home computers and the early internet though.

  • bonenode@piefed.socialEnglish
    21·
    1 day ago

    According to some recent articles Grindr is leaning fully into AI. I’d hope Turing would be someone not happy about such a development.

    • takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      11·
      24 hours ago

      In what way? Software development, or fooling their users they are taking to other people?

      Not familiar with the app beyond knowing its purpose.

        • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world
          6·
          20 hours ago

          Looking at the examples on the second link, it feels creepy. Granted, I’m not a Grindr user; I’m not even male. If there are gay guys interested in having AI in their app, more power to them. But as a human, I don’t like the idea of an app trying to decide what I like about people instead of letting me put in my preferences for myself. Imagine realizing that you’ve gotten yourself into a bad pattern of dating people who are toxic for you and the app decides, “Hey, since you liked talking to people who have traits of X, Y, and Z, we’re going to suggest more people like that!”

          Or, shockingly, you’re into people of diverse stripes, and find the most satisfying experiences to be novel ones. Well, too bad, the AI’s going to assume your past patterns should inform your future patterns, so prepare to be assigned to a niche you can’t opt out of.

          “Over the course of a year, You [sic] and Eli had an on-again, off-again conversation that swung between flirty, honest, awkward, and quietly intimate.” Wow, thanks for the creepy stalking of my personal conversations, that totally makes me feel more comfortable. Imagine all those chats culminated in a bad time with Eli and that’s why you stopped talking to him, but the app keeps suggesting that since you had some fun times earlier on, that means you should totally try again. An app doing the work of a pushy ex without being told to. Or maybe your interactions went the other way, and you and Eli now text and meet-up regularly in the real world. But the app doesn’t know that, so it keeps telling you to reach out through their own platform.

          Either way, I’m a grown adult capable of identifying my own preferences and making my own dating decisions. It makes me uncomfortable to imagine an AI trying to make those calls for me. Although I’m not their target audience, I wouldn’t be surprised if plenty of Grindr users feel similarly.

          • LiveLM@lemmy.zipEnglish
            2·
            11 hours ago

            Yeah no the examples from the second link are truly atrocious.
            “Quick rooftop hookup at your place; chemistry so strong you left your hoodie at his place.”
            “Nurse got pre-shift stress-release quickie; now craving”
            Ah yes, a sex-life narrator, who wouldn’t want that?

            This company must br ran by lizards.

    • coherent_domain@infosec.pubEnglish
      5·
      23 hours ago

      I heard Turing is a quite open-minded and outgoing person, I feel he might have a okay chance of giving LLM a shot. On the other hand, I feel there is no way Dijkstra is gonna vibe with LLM.