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Ad-blocking is a property right. I have every right to control what my device does or does not display, by definition of ownership. Conversely, advertisers or other parties attempting to colonize my device by forcing it to display something against my (the owner’s) will is a hostile act that violates my rights.
Except we are beginning to not own what we own. The computer is yours, the software is just licensed, and they are trying to take everything away from us, from ovens to washing machines, they want to make it all subscription, spying on us, and serving us ads. We don’t have the right to repair the products when we break, and it’s a federal felony to “break” any sort of digital lock on a device, and I think to change it’s programming too.
That said, it’s a moot point as of yet, because while websites forced me to whitelist their sites to use them when I had adblock, I was told about ublockorigin, and I see no ads, and the sites can’t tell I am using it.
the software is just licensed
That is a GODDAMN LIE perpetrated by copyright cartel shysters to swindle all of us. The entire legal theory that assertion rests on is absolute nonsense: they want to pretend that you “need” to accept an “EULA” to use the software because otherwise copying it from the installation media onto your hard drive and/or into RAM would be a violation, but that is wrong because 17 U.S. Code § 117 (a) (1) carves out an explicit exception that allows it. EULAs are bunk and do not constitute a valid contact, as they not only lack ‘acceptance’ because they attempt to work on adhesion (trying to impose new terms after-the-fact when the transaction to obtain the copy has already occurred and concluded), but fail to provide any meaningful ‘consideration’ to begin with!
They can pry my hardware and software that I own from my cold, dead hands.
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Sadly, and I am not a lawyer so this is not even close to legal advice(!!), “beginning” is potentially the wrong word when talking about licenses due to copyright. Because even a single flipped bit in RAM on your computer could be constructed as a copyright infringement if pushed in a legal battle and decided in a court. (This all sounds squishy because, again, I am not a lawyer and as far as I know nothing of this sort has had clear ground setting or breaking rulings yet…)
Why am I of this opinion despite also usually loving to take the “my device my rules stance”? Because I got to proof read some final exams for legal professionals-to-be for their technical accuracy and let me tell you: the most likely legal outcome they saw was not good for most of us. (So now I really really hope that some high up court rules on a case like this and sides with “common sense” about what is and is not allowed with our owned hardware!)
Thats fair if you also hold the stance that they can block you if you aren’t paying to use the service. But i doubt you do.
What fucking “service?” Software running locally on my own computer isn’t a goddamned “service” to begin with!
Also, fuck off with your bullshit assumption of bad faith.
The web browser and the website are two different piecee of software. Running a web browser doesnt entitle you to access a web server.
You are asking the web server for the page and its giving it to you with ads. If you then decide you dont want the ads the webserver has every right to not serve you the page.
It would be different if it was a local application. Web servers have a material cost for processing a request it costs money to serve you that page. Its completely fair for you to decide that your browser isnt going to display ads but its also just as fair for the website to turn around and reject your request or choose to serve you something else.
Everything belongs to the working class brother
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After setting up my devices and everything i noticed i get really really mad when i encounter (especially intrusive) ads nonetheless. It usually makes me stop whatever i was doing and consider if whatever i want to accomplish is worth more than watching a 10 second ad. - Usually it´s not.
You guys get ads? 😈
Actually I’m always surprised at how pervasive they are. I keep thinking the way my home infra is set up is normal and people are exaggerating about ads for lulz.
But every now and then when I jump on a unfiltered system I realise “No, no they are not”.
Have you installed Bonzi Buddy yet?
I have no idea what that is, so let me look it up…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BonziBuddy
Huh; must have missed that one back in the day! Though I do recall the Homer Simpson that was like that, and e-sheep
I remember pushing my mom to install one that had a black and white cat wander around the desktop and on top of windows one time when she had to take me to work.
I found a video of a newer version (with bonus Bonzi Buddy), but it doesn’t appear to do the walking along the tops of your windows that I remember.
Appropriately for the topic of this thread, it was all an advertisement for Purina Pet Food
Its crazy how much people put up with it every time I see someone elses browser I ask them why they dont use an ad blocker and I always gets some nothing reply.
This is why I use adblock and sale the high seas
We recently got a new cable service, and it’s the best I’ve ever seen. Besides a bunch of other advantages, I can go back to any TV show from the past 4 days and watch them - and skip all the commercials. I almost never watch a show when it’s first on, I’d rather watch it in an hour or so, or tomorrow, and skip the ads.
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Add stremio to this. (+ the torrentio extension)
The funny thing is that I’m actively making Spotify lose money for me, I use ad blockers on desktop which entirely bypass the ads and I close the iOS app when I hear an ad (they won’t count it as an ad watched until you see the whole thing, which I never)
The case with advertisers is that there used to be a covenant between the advertiser and the viewer where the advertiser gave the viewer a jingle or song or funny scenario and the viewer would be entertained to watch the advertisement. This covenant has been broken by the advertiser. They no longer think that they have to offer you anything for your time . A simple pop-up or banner or an obfuscated page is sufficient to divert you from your task in exchange for nothing but inconvenience. Instead of manipulating people with metrics, advertisers might want to get back to that covenant.
I don’t have a hostile relationship with ads because I block them all.
Some people like to say that nobody’s immune to advertising. Maybe so, but there are definitely some of us who aren’t as affected by it. When most ads you see are for things you’d never buy anyway, all the crap kind of blends together.
For me, no amount of fast food ads, car ads, vacation ads, etc. are going to have any meaningful effect. I already don’t buy fast food, don’t purchase new cars (and if I’m shopping used, there are certain criteria that matter far more than a brand or dealership), and am way too poor to take a vacation. Yet, the ads persist.
Even if I weren’t muting and skipping them at every chance, you can’t get blood from a stone. End stage capitalism, man. Can’t spend money I don’t have!
The deluge of gambling, crypto currency, GLP, and AI ads only make me hate those things more.
my kids have grown up with my adblocked version of the internet, when they connect to other internet thats not a filtered feed they get annoyed by ads in their games and on their videos
My wife initially hated my piholes, because they broke some of her phone’s stuff. She runs stock Samsung Android, so lots of the built in Google stuff got broken. She was constantly complaining about it. We eventually spent an evening hunt-and-peck’ing the various blocked DNS requests, to see which ones were required for her phone to work properly, and which ones were just Google Adsense BS. Got her set up with a WireGuard VPN connection that automatically activates when she’s disconnected from the home WiFi, so she’s always protected.
Now that she’s used to it, it’s like a wake up slap whenever she encounters ads. We moved a while ago, and all of my more advanced networking stuff (including the pihole) was sitting in a box until I had time to set it all up. She suddenly started seeing ads again, and was absolutely gobsmacked at how pervasive they are. What really sent her over the edge was when our Roku TV was paused, and went to its idle screen. The idle screen is an auto-scrolling image, and it had an ad plastered across the scrolling image. She was like “what the fuck we’re not even watching anything right now! It’s just idle! Why the hell are they advertising to us on the damned idle screen??” That was what finally pushed her to give me an evening to set all of the networking stuff back up.
Hah, the ladies never seem to appreciate what we do until its gone and they realize just how much better life is with all the weird tech stuff you setup
Yeah. Had a guy¹ try to put me on his setup once. Let so much bullshit through. Turned out he was running it through windows.
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Do you have links to any knowledge base docs or guides? I tried setting this up a few years back and couldn’t really nail it down and just kinda gave up because it broke too many websites and my smarttv apps wouldn’t work either.
You’ll have to dig but it should be here
Our smart TV doesn’t allow an ad blocker on YouTube, but my kids have developed a way to skip ads anyway. They don’t tolerate ads sny more than I do, and I couldn’t be prouder.
Install downloader, then go get SmartTube TV.
Man you must be a good parent. I can only aspire that my future kids are this smart
Positive comments like yours are like jet fuel for new parents. :)
Jailbreak your TV and install a third party launcher and SmartTube. It gave my Sony TV a new lease on life after it was almost smothered to death by ads, even on the home screen.
Got a samsung smart TV that had ads in the menu bar. I bought the thing, why ads. Learn pihole and reuse of old galaxy s7. block Samsung. then firestick. then buy server space to download movies and TV shows.
I got so upset at ads native in TV 6 years ago I hoist the flag.
God I do have a weird relationship with it. I have adguard set up to block ads at the DNS level, I have adblockers on everything, and yet I spent the other night binge watching “Will it Blend?”
You are a person of culture, and I respectfully tip my hat to you. Of course, the question left unanswered is: Did it blend?
Can I see it?
It did blend! Many times over the span of several hours (I watched… Most of that channel that day…)
How long did it take to un-break basically every website? I tried doing this and it made pretty much every site that had this problem unusable. I could never find a sweetspot that only blocks ads and let’s legitimate traffic through; and it caused issues with my partner’s work portals.
Moving target. They ho to work every day to fuck up uthe internet.
It weirdly didn’t break every website? It said it might, but it ended up not. No idea how, or what I did. The only issue has been my room mate plays mobile games and some of those give ads for a benefit, so they can’t watch those.
I’m using HaGeZi’s block list (https://github.com/hagezi/dns-blocklists). Not saying it’ll work for everyone, but it doesn’t cause me any issues, even on the strictest one.
Which of HaGeZi’s blocklists are you using specifically?
Ultimate, the strictest one. I remember picking one down, but just pulled it up and it is the Ultimate blocklist
i have an actively hostile relationship with ads but i don’t see a reason to try and justify it. Ads are bad. -pretty simple.
