I watched the entire thing.
I can’t stress enough how Sayed stayed calm and cool during the whole thing, while the clown on the left there was constantly trying to talk over him (as is the game plan for all those swamp creatures).
I couldn’t sit there and be as patient and calm as Sayed, that’s for damn sure. It’s about time we started taking a no nonsense stand, and I am here for it. :-)
I mean it’s their whole effective schtick after all because Americans are not intelligent. Loud and repeated is the truth to so many Americans when they have little to no critical thinking skills. Whoever is the loudest, the fastest, the most obnoxious is the victor of the debate when it comes to the vast majority of the American electorate.
it’s sad but it works and it make tons of money promoting this type of discourse instead of actual boring, proper debate and discussion.
I’ve only watched a part but i laughed at the the part of: “Have you followed then news recently, it’s pretty big.” It’s only big because they misuse their platform to make it big. When you look at the numbers of actual people affected, well let’s just say the amount of measles death in certain states is higher.
“I can’t afford to live.”
“Does that lady have a PENIS?!”
“Um…”
“The Ladyboy Muslim immigrant with the illegal penis is desecrating the American Flag and that’s why you can’t afford groceries”
“Um… I don’t know but I should find out! They could be trying to invade girls bathrooms! I’m going to spend all my money to support this obvious life threatening situation!”
“Lettuce now gives you diarrhea!”
What else is on? “Police called on gay men holding hands!”
Standard acceptable answer:
“think about this last week. How many times did you personally feel like things were too expensive? How many times did a cis woman you personally know lose to a trans woman in sports?”
How many times did you personally feel like things were too expensive?
Even this is a weak framing.
“How many times did you personally feel like your are being overcharged for groceries, utilities, or rents?” puts the blame where is belongs.
Stuff isn’t just “more expensive” by some mystifying method. People who own shit are raising prices on you. And these same people are paying you less for your work.
As though he has to think about prices…
He doesn’t, but there is value in putting it in the minds of his viewers
Watters is incapable of thought.
I assume OP was referring to El-Sayed talking to the Fox audience of drooling masses.
MAGA thinks they smell blood in the water on the trans issue, so that’s their chosen wedge issue for the foreseeable future. I’m the past it was abortion, flag burning, kneeling, gay adoption, gay marriage, gay gayness, etc.
The proper answer to any trans nonsense is: “I am not a doctor, and I won’t presume to interfere with the medical decisions between any patient and their doctor, on any subject. I have absolutely no opinions on this subject, and do not consider it an appropriate subject for a political discussion. It is an appalling and indefensible political strategy to use any medical issue as a political talking point, so I’m not interested in your opinion either.”
That works for ANY medical issue, including abortion.
El-Sayed is a doctor though :)
Incredibly worded and well said!
It’s absolutely the right move to not even play that game. Don’t let them use that weapon to distract from the issues.
Cant talk about things that actually matter, because trump and republicans are directly responsible for that.
So we have to inflame idiots by talking about stupid bullshit that no one cared about until they poured gasoline on it to make it a wedge issue in desperate attempt to salvage votes from the mess they’ve personally created.
Sorry to reply to my own post…
but everything from the right (even back before the party flip, because it doesnt matter what the label was, they were still the same assholes) is nothing but culture war shit.
Segregation was a culture war. A culture war that they ultimately loss, and while its terrifying ramifications are far from over even today, they did admit defeat on it… Which is why leaders held secret meetings, of which there are recordings of, to figure out what the next hateful wedge issue would be… and they came upon abortion… and even they struggled with deciding on abortion, because literally no one gave a flat fuck about abortion outside the catholics, and they were mocked for caring about abortion.
But they decided Abortion was their best bet for the continuing culture war bullshit, so they went whole hog on it, and within a year ministers and priests and politicians and the whole propaganda machine churned into action and suddenly gave a fuck about abortion and declared it the great evil of our time
and that went on for 50+ years, until they started losing the battle on Abortion… and just like they did when they lost the battle on segregation, they had to come up with a new cultural wedge issue, because they cant argue on actual politics and records because their politics are as awful as their goddamn records… And what did they land on? Trans people. Who are the new desegregation, the new abortion. And just like every time previous, they want to inflame hate to trick gullible idiots into voting for them out of fear.
and trans people existing is such a weak fucking wedge issue, that they are trying to go back to segregations racist arguments, with trying to be oOoOoOo big spooky about black people existing, or spreading blatant lies about them eating all the dogs and birds, or that the brown people are here to rape our women and take our jobs, and all the other tired tropey bullshit.
Fear fear fear FEAR FEAR. Thats all it boils down to. Trying to convince sheltered idiots to fear what they havent experienced. to fear who they don’t know. to fear everything that is unknown.
Beacuse as long as people are drowning in adrenaline fueled fear, they’ll never stop to look around them and realize its all fucking bullshit and admit they’ve been duped and lied too.
GOP rather discuss ethnic ostracizing and its non-existent values than bring up the affordability crisis and inhumane immigration enforcement tactics being plagued on to their own nation and responsibilities.
MAGA is zealously a dictatorship movement
I’ve seen ads from / in favor of a number of GOP candidates from around the country lately. More and more of them are running with affordability crisis talking points. Hypocrisy, sure, but what’s new?
For an uninformed voting populace, being the cause of and the solution to major problems is a viable plan.
Politics are so broken you can just say whatever and it doesn’t matter anymore in the US.
You are completely right about being the problem and a pretend solution. The conservatives love to do this with the deficit. Run it up and ignore it completely and then start screaming about it when the other party takes over.
Politics are so broken you can just say whatever and it doesn’t matter anymore in the US.
I mean, it does matter, because it does impact domestic policy.
You’ve got a large portion of the population that’s been innoculated against state regulation of business as a fundamental idea. And that same core group has been agitated to believe they need a massive (heavily privatized) police presence to protect them from poor, gay, brown, non-Christians.
The conservatives love to do this with the deficit. Run it up and ignore it completely and then start screaming about it when the other party takes over.
Unfortunately, it’s the fucking liberals who spend all day screaming about the deficit.
Because we also have a large segment of the population sold on this fantasy notion of Household Economics, where one American owing another American $20 hurts the economy. So you just want to spend as little money as possible on everything all the time. And if you’re not doing that, you’re creating inflation.
It does matter if it gets to the policy level. Most of the time though, it is just lip service to get elected though.
You certainly have a large part of the population that is clueless to important concepts such as regulatory capture. The government is no longer functioning as anything else than a mouthpiece for corporations.
Liberty is for the wealthy and their corporations by extension. Anything else is just propaganda that props up a system where your value is only determined by the wealth you have. This means the majority of people have no value in the current system.
You certainly have a large part of the population that is clueless to important concepts such as regulatory capture.
I don’t think they’re clueless. The term gets thrown around all the time, both in public debate and on back channel Internet feeds.
But there’s a real deficit of trust between different people using the term.
Very easy to understand the core concept of regulatory capture and to then establish the existence/function of the FDA with that concept in mind.
Fair enough, I see what is happening pretty clearly. The wealthy, and their proxies the corporation, have captured the regulatory bodies of the US. They then use propaganda to blame the government for burdensome regulations meanwhile passing additional regulations to benefit them and removing regulations to also benefit them.
The average person thinks it is government versus corporation but that is not at all what is happening. With all the conflicting propaganda we are fed it is a wonder that anyone can figure out what is going on.
Because they know they’re going to lose and want to say “I could have made things affordable but you guys elected a democrat” when the issue isn’t immediately solved - this will probably happen at every level of government
“How am i supposed to take this seriously” has become my default mood whenever i have to interact with society of late.
that is their M.O. - to distract.
Also, just to be gross.
Like we haven’t had co-ed sports going on time immemorial. But tennis mixed doubles is now Haram in Trump’s America
They “communicate” exactly the same way narcissists do…
Watters in that interview basically acting like a child. If the conversation didn’t go his way he would change it while sayed was speaking.
You can see at multiple points sayed “you going to let me talk”
The unfortunate thing is that the high grocery prices are a direct result of a culture war. Namely, the one between the ultra rich and the rest of us.
Thats a class war.
Both can be true.
I don’t support billionaires lifestyles and I think something should be done about it.
One War, Class War
We need to zealously stomp on culture war distractions whenever we see them. Remind people no war but the class war.
It doesn’t even make sense within the Republicans own claimed worldview. Shouldn’t governing of sports programs be left to those programs, if we believe in small government? But they want to make it federal legislation. Make it make sense.
I’ve always interpreted “small government” as single-party with lots of privatization of government services instead of small government that stays out of people’s lives.
It’s fox news, only watched by angry country club boomer golfers
And the uneducated right wing mob
It’s on one of the TVs at my gym, and I hate it. While on the elliptical, I have to occasionally look over to that screen and scowl, so people know I’m not a dumbass.
Course, my water bottle has a big “nazi lives don’t matter” sticker on it, as well as a “billionaires will burn in hell” sticker, so I’m pretty sure they know already
I have no idea why these people even go on these shows. Fox News high key hates them, and will do anything to fuck them over.
Exposure and name recognition I think. There’s a chance, albeit probably very small, that Abdul’s rhetoric on Fox might convince someone to vote for him or question their propagandized brain. It’s important to maintain some sort of communication and contact with cult members because for them to escape the cult they will often need a lifeline.
To reach the people that only watch Fox News. You HAVE to go on these shows. Otherwise these people only hear what these pundits are saying about you.
There is many people watching fox news who are just brainwashed and El stayed try to depropagandize them.
You, should address this to those “centrist” democrats going there to attack the dsa and progressists
If you don’t go in there and tell your story, they will make one up for you. They’ll still try to trip you up and mis-frame things you say, but at least you have a chance of reaching some people
It’s exactly the point of culture wars to distract people away from the complete total crash in the quality of life for the many due to the bipartisan complete agreement on shoving as much money into the hands of the wealthy no mater what the consequences for the rest.
You see it all around the World - the more the “center” “mainstream” “pragmatic” parties agree on managing their country for the good of a few and screw the rest, the more they loudly and exaggeratedly (with the subtlety of 5 year-olds doing putting on a play) “fight” around things like trans-sexuality which are morally solved by the simple logic of “it’s not of my business what others do with their bodies”.
You saw this shit first in the US because that country is the one more advanced in the whole thing of the Money Elites owning the Political Elites and thus them Pillaging the Wealth Of the Many (after all, the US has being doing the whole Pillaging Of The Wealth Of The Powerless for literally decades, just mainly abroad in places like the Middle East and South America, so politicians there have a lot of practice and are pretty much a self-select bunch of Psychopaths and Sociopaths, plus the Press there has long morphed in exactly the same direction becoming little more than Propaganda).
