As the title says, I want to know the most paranoid security measures you’ve implemented in your homelab. I can think of SDN solutions with firewalls covering every interface, ACLs, locked-down/hardened OSes etc but not much beyond that. I’m wondering how deep this paranoia can go (and maybe even go down my own route too!).
Thanks!
Nice try, attacker trying to get me to do their reconnaissance work for them. I’m on to you.
It would be funny if that were the case. I was just hoping to be a little more paranoid from you lot and maybe improve on the things I’ve thought about
Yeah, just having a little fun in the role of a paranoid admin. My setup isn’t worth mentioning since it fits my threat model (i.e. nobody gives a shit about my network, just don’t be the low hanging fruit) but I’m interested in other replies. Hope you get some useful responses here.
I’d love to play paranoid admin over my network. Thanks!
No, honestly I’m not an attacker, but your local bank. We just need your help to update our systems. Please provide us the following credentials to continue using our phish- *ugh* services.
Credit card number: _____________
CVV: ___
Expiration date: ______Spfff me, never Anyway please tell me more about your IP adress and your private keys.
Hey its me your friend Aaron how are you. Hey i was just wandering, what is your credit card details again? just wandering
My private key has a 3 in it
“I’m in”
Ok my ip address is 192.168.3.200.
Never used it “in anger” but:
I have my firewall plugged into a metered outlet (plugged into a UPS). I have it set up to send me alerts if power draw increases beyond a certain threshold. I’ve tested it and wireguard is measurable (yay) but so are DDOS attacks. If I get that alert, I can choose to turn off that plug and take my whole network offline until I get home and can sort that out.
Gotten a few false positives over the years but mostly that is just texting my partner to ask what they are doing.
Care to share what outlet you had success with? I’m comfortable with Home Assistant and ZigBee/Z-Wave. Something this critical probably shouldn’t be wireless, but I digress. I’m also interested in what software you’re using for monitoring and alerts (if you’re willing to share). Cheers!
I just use a pretty generic z-wave plug and home assistant. In the past I did more complex setups that actually determine what process is spiking and so forth. But eventually realized that “this is doing a lot of compute…” is a catch all for a LOT of potential issues.
And I guess I don’t understand what you mean by “shouldn’t be wireless”. It is inherently going to be wireless because you will be on your phone on the other side of the planet. If you genuinely suspect you will be vulnerable to attacks of this scale then you… probably have other things to worry about.
But as a safety blanket?
Well damn that’s clever. I will have to try that.
Aren’t you just DoSing yourself at that point?
Or you could trigger automation that turns it off for hours, then turns it back on. That way you could get around the need to physically turn it on, in case everyone is away.
With my firewall disabled a lot of my internal network (including home assistant) will fall over sooner than later.
But that is also a recipe for mass stress. Because I know “something happened”. And now I know “in six hours, I need to check in and make sure that ‘something’ is still not happening”. Which is extra shitty if I got the notification late evening local time.
I have friends/neighbors that I trust to swing by and push a button in the event I need to bring it back up before I get home. But if I have reached the point of “it is possible my wireguard credentials were compromised?” then I really don’t need to be able to download the next episode of ATLA NOW.
Logcheck. It took ages to make sure innocent logs are ignored, but now I get an email as soon as anything non-routine happens on my servers. I get emails with logs from every update, every time I log in, etc. This has given me the most confidence that nothing unexpected is happening on my servers. Of course, one needs to make sure that the firewall is configured well, and that you use ssh keys etc., but logcheck is how I know I’m doing enough.
Very nice idea, and it’s quite simple too. Thanks
I’ve replaced reconnaissance commands (a handful of them found here: https://www.cybrary.it/blog/linux-commands-used-attackers) – whoami, uname, id, uptime, last, etc
With shell scripts which run the command but also send me a notification via pushover. I’m running several internet-facing services, and the moment those get run because someone is doing some sleuthing inside the machine, I get notified.
It doesn’t stop people getting in, I’ve set up other things for that – but on the off chance that there is some zero-day that I don’t know about yet, or they’ve traversed the network laterally somehow, the moment they run one of those commands, I know to kill-switch the entire thing.
The thing is, security is an on-going process. Leave any computer attached to the internet long enough and it’ll be gotten into. I don’t trust being able to know every method that can be used, so I use this as a backup.
That’s a very good idea. Something to think about, especially if you have open ports and are paranoid enough (aren’t we all? Hehe). Thanks
My security is fairly simplistic but I’m happy with it
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software protection
- fail2ban with low warning hold
- cert based login for ssh (no password Auth)
- Honeypot on all common port numbers, which if pinged leads to a permanent IP ban
- drop all firewall
- PSAD for intrusion/scanning protection (so many Russian scanners… lol)
- wireguard for VPN to access local virtual machines and resources
- external VPN with nordVPN for secure containers (yes I know nord is questionable I plan to swap when my sub runs out)
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physical protection
- luksCrypt on the sensitive Data/program Drive ( I know there’s some security concerns with luksCrypt bite me)
- grub and bios locked with password
- UPS set to auto notify on power outage
- router with keep alive warning system that pings my phone if the lab goes offline and provides fallback dns
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things I’ve thought about:
- a mock recovery partition entry that will nuke the Luks headers on entry (to prevent potential exploit getting through grub)
- removing super user access completely outside of local user access
Could you please elaborate how you do the honeypotting?
What honeypot are you using?
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Really all I do is setup fail2ban on my very few external services, and then put all other access behind wireguard.
Logs are clean, I’m happy.
Standard and well-tested setup. Thanks for your reply!
- Custom Router/Firewall running OPNsense and the Sensei plugin
- Extensive DNS filtering through Pihole
- Redirecting all DNS requests to my Pihole through OPNsense
- My entire network is behind a multi hop VPN
- I don’t let any Windows systems connect to the internet, instead, I have a Linux server which is connected to the internet (through a VPN of course) and runs a browser, and I use X2go to access the browser which is running on the Linux server
Since you’re running x86 for your router, do you actively prevent ME from trying to connect to the Internet?
I am aware of the ME, but I can’t really do anything about it. Current ARM SBCs are not suitable for a router/firewall (at least in my experience). I’m not that concerned about it though.
OpenWRT isn’t half bad for usual “router stuff”, but advanced usage is a bit hard to do. Of course, that doesn’t eliminate the problem since ARM can have plenty of backdoors too
I know, I tried OpenWRT on a Pi, but the experience wasn’t great (at least not as a home router).
Wouldn’t that last bullet mean you’re not updating the windows machines whatsoever? Would this not cause more security issues in the long run, considering “connected tot he internet” isn’t a requirement to spread an infection.
It might sound ridiculous, but I currently also run a WSUS server to get Windows updates. But I will probably replace my entire Windows setup with a better solution. Since I don’t run Windows bare-metal anymore, I’m looking forward to using offline Windows VMs on my Proxmox host and just accessing the internet directly from my Linux machine.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters AP WiFi Access Point CA (SSL) Certificate Authority DNS Domain Name Service/System HTTP Hypertext Transfer Protocol, the Web HTTPS HTTP over SSL IP Internet Protocol NAT Network Address Translation SBC Single-Board Computer SSH Secure Shell for remote terminal access SSL Secure Sockets Layer, for transparent encryption TLS Transport Layer Security, supersedes SSL VPN Virtual Private Network nginx Popular HTTP server
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Using SPA firewall knocking (fwknop) to open ports to ssh in. I suppose if I was really paranoid, the most secure would be an air gap, but there’s only so much convenience I’ll give up for security.
I’m going to save your comment because it has opened up a new technique for network security that I had never thought of before. Thanks a bunch
Only remote access by wireguard and ssh on non standard port with key based access.
Fail2ban bans after 1 attempt for a year. Tweaked the logs to ban on more strict patterns
Logs are encrypted and mailed off site daily
System updates over tor connecting to onion repos.
Nginx only has one exposed port 443 that is accessible by wireguard or lan. Certs are signed by letsencrypt. Paths are ip white listed to various lan or wireguard ips.
Only allow one program with sudo access requiring a password. Every other privelaged action requires switching to root user.
I dont allow devices I dont admin on the network so they go on their own subnet. This is guests phones and their windows laptops.
Linux only on the main network.
I also make sure to backup often.
Linux only on the main network.
Is that a security benefit?
If big corporations hoovering your data should be on everyone’s threat list, then yea, i’d say its a huge benefit.
I guess it cuts the attack surface profile down a bit?
Can you explain why you use onion repos? I’ve never heard of that, and I’ve heard of kind of a lot of things.
With Debian it’s just the apt-tor package, and the project maintains an official list at… onion.debian.org iirc?
I don’t know if serving onion traffic is more expensive for Debian/mirror maintainers so idk if this is something everybody should use
System updates over tor connecting to onion repos.
How does this help, assuming your DNS isn’t being spoofed?
Notifications on system file access
Notifications on root login/sudo
Declarative OS, tmpfs root, disabled sudo
Bastion server, but right now I don’t have a proper router to do it at home
Yubikey, or a separate phone on Graphene OS for otp, keys, etc
Authelia + fascist fail2ban (or some CSF)
Most of these are pretty normal, but usually you don’t do them all at once 😄 also, I don’t really like hiding my services from the open internet, authelia is fine tuned to let people only access what they are supposed to. And regular users of my server usually don’t notice that I even have it
Declarative OS, tmpfs root, disabled sudo
How do you change anything about the OS/do updates? iirc nixos requires elevated privileges for that?
I’d love to hear more about your Authelia setup. I’m using Authentik, but planning to do the same thing. I haven’t opened my server up to the Internet yet (just built it on Friday), but what I’d like to do is have a webserver that supplies a login page, and you can’t access anything else until you’ve logged in
I’m a Nixos user, I wouldn’t be much help unless you do Nixos. But it’s a whole new rabbit hole which would take you months/years to learn and setup 😅
What I can say, you can do “access from home network”, “access from VPN network”, “1fa/2fa from the internet” OR “access for / and /api, but 1fa/2fa for stuff like /admin, /admin-settings, or just /login or /logged-in”
Fail2ban is fun, also maybe have a look at crowdsec
I’m not super paranoid about security, but I do try to have a few good practices to make sure that it takes more than a bot scanning for /admin.php to find a way in.
- Anything with SSH access uses key-based auth with password auth disabled. First thing I do when spinning up a new machine
- Almost nothing is exposed directly to the Internet. I have wireguard set up on all my devices for remote access and also for extra security on public networks
- Anyone who comes to visit gets put on the “guest” network, which is a separate subnet that can’t see or talk to anything on the main network
- For any service that supports creating multiple logins, I make sure I have a separate admin user with elevated permissions, and then create a non-privileged user that I sign in on other devices with
- Every web-based service is only accessible with a FQDN which auto-redirects to HTTPS and has an actual certificate signed by a trusted CA. This is probably the most “paranoid” thing I do, because of the aforementioned not being accessible on the Internet, but it makes me happy to see the little lock symbol on my browser without having to fiddle around with trusting a self-signed cert.
Every web-based service is only accessible with a FQDN which auto-redirects to HTTPS and has an actual certificate signed by a trusted CA
I’m assuming this is in your internal network. The problem with this is that communication from the client to the reverse-proxy (unless you’re running a reverse-proxy sandboxed with each application/are directly decrypting traffic at the base of your application) is encrypted, but the traffic from the server to the reverse-proxy is not.
I’ve got systems that can detect suspicious activities in the net, which result in a shutdown of the router. And not like “could you please shut down” but a hard power off type of shutdown.
Now that’s the kind of paranoid I was hoping to see in here. High five, pal.
Oh, you have a setup that signals to your power source to shut off internet when it detects an anomaly on the internet? That’s quite specific, and I’m having trouble trying to understand the use-case here, but it’s definitely included in the paranoid-list. Thanks!
How do you all that have your services on your LAN accessing it over wireguard when external pass the wife/kids/family test? If I had to have my wife activate a VPN before she could access our nextcloud or bitwarden, she’d just never use it
Is always on not an option?
NAT 🥴
