The writer got mad when a goblin shoved Astarion off a cliff. It reminded me of when I had Karlach shove a goblin in lava, then a goblin ran up and shoved HER in the lava. I didn’t get mad; I took it as a learning moment: enemies can shove me back, so move away from the lava.
DND 5e is a horrible system. Bg3 would be better if it was built on something else. The reasons they focus on in this article aren’t really the reasons why.
the adventuring day is trash. It’s especially bad when there’s no human dm to be like “no you JUST had a long rest you can’t have another”. Though apparently most tables do one fight per long rest on average anyway, which is insane. That’s not how the game is balanced! Bg3 kind of sort of limits you by making you get supplies, but that doesn’t really make a big impact. Also there’s good berries.
there’s very little room for mechanical customization and optimization. You pick a subclass, skills to be slightly better at, and some stats that matter but not a whole lot. Pretty much every early character is going to do their main thing at +5. But that modifier is dwarfed but the comparably huge 1d20 random factor.
I didn’t even notice I wasn’t proficient in my weapon on a new game the other day for like an hour. I lost the +2 Prof bonus but the +1 magic bonus mostly made up for that. And since the random factor of 1d20 is so big in comparison, it doesn’t make a big difference.
But character mechanics are very shallow, especially at low level. Compare pillars of eternity 2 where there are many more classes, class combinations, and the way weapons and armor work is actually interesting.
dnd’s armor system is kind of stupid. This is a dead horse. But like come on ac as avoidance, no concept of damage reduction (outside of one feat and rare sources of 50% reduction).
no degree of success or failure. Rolling a 30 vs a target of 5 is the same as rolling 5. A human dm will probably be better here, and they could have programmed it for some of the skill checks. But for combat that’s not how DND works.
the assumed miss rate is pretty high. Whole turns can go by where everyone just misses. This is better at 5th level where you have two attacks, but low level can become a slog.
they didn’t implement take 10 (or 20) so the game has a lot of boring rolls that don’t really mean anything. Mostly picking locks and searching. It’s very save scummy, especially when failure is just a dead end.
personally I vastly prefer a low random factor. I liked how new Vegas skill checks were either you had it or you didn’t. No save scumming. No “why did my barbarian roll so high on arcana but my wizard at +10 rolled so poorly”
1d20+stuff gives flat probability, which I dislike. Every outcome on the die is equally likely. That doesn’t feel good to me.
I could go on but it’s late. 5e kind of sucks. Article didn’t nail why.
It really just sounds like DnD is not for you. Dice probability is the core that DnD is built around and 5 of your 8 points are just disliking that. But I’ve known people who do ttrpgs with no dice rolls. Just the GM making judgement calls that leans heavily into the group story telling process and not on the mechanics. And that’s the best part of them! They’re customizable. But I’m wondering why you even picked up BG3 if you disliked the game its built around so much.
magic feels really bad in this system early on when all they canreally do is spam cantrip after missing all their spells
plus healing spells feel very weak compared to potions
Potions got Buffed in the game iirc normaly drinking one I an Action not a bonusaction
That is correct. Although many, many tables have that as a homebrew rule too.
That’s correct that it’s considered an action in 5e. The idea is that your turn represents about 6 seconds. Bonus actions tend to be quick nearly instant actions or things that can be done while taking your action at the same time. And downing 8 ounces of liquid typically takes some time and can be distracting. But in a lot of games (The ones I run included) house rule potions as bonus actions because it’s just more fun to keep the game moving. BG3 does a lot of things that are more house-rule type things meant to do this exact thing. It keeps the game moving giving you more time for the fun parts of DnD. They give you access to a lot of spells earlier and make them easier to use to get rid of that early-level slog that’s common in most games. I personally love those early levels as it gives you a chance to develop your character before making them a straight-up killing machine. But that’s not really how video games are built, so I’m really happy with the streamlining they’ve done in the game. There’s even some stuff I’m going to bring into my own future games.
There’s also the fact that generally DND magic has every spell as a bespoke effect. There’s not an underlying system you can reason about. You’re not really expected to make your own spells. You don’t really tweak the ones you get very much. What can you do with a 4th level slot vs 5th? You can kind of infer from the examples, and maybe there’s details in the DMG somewhere , but it’s not foregrounded.
They also are very, well, mechanical rather than magical. You declare you’re casting, check off the spell slot, and the spell just happens. Some people might prefer this taste, but it makes it feel very mundane and bland to me . Compare like Mage (awakening, 2e) where you’re always looking for ways to stretch how far your spells can go, balancing risk, and looking for thematic boosts.
The “looking for ways to stretch how far your spells can go” bit from Mage always struck me as “playing mother-may-I with the Storyteller.” I really prefer it as a player when my abilities do what they say they do, and as a DM when my players’ abilities don’t require me to make too many judgment calls, which can lead to players who are more persuasive IRL getting their way more often than players who aren’t.
I think I meant more about “I can take a -6 on the roll to affect all the guys and risk it not working” or “I’ll risk three dice on paradox” for stretching your spells rather than “I can totally cure cancer with life 2, right??”
DND doesn’t really have much tactical depth for the spells. They do what they say and always work (unless saved against). You never get the “I don’t know if I have another spell on me!” trope.
What you meant I think shows up in DND too. Players being like “can I use mage hand to swing a sword?” or “can I use create water to drown him?” That’s more an annoying player problem, but I see what you mean about some systems enable it more than others.
You’d probably really dislike Fate, then, where it’s almost entirely based on what the table agrees makes sense for your free form written character traits.
5e is fine. It’s an overcorrection from the disaster of 4e. 3.5 was really good but it did suffer from classic slow combat and overload of bonuses/penalties at mid-high level. But if you don’t like 5e, go play something else. Maybe Pathfinder.
But if you just hate d&d in general but like rpgs in general, then not have I got some bad news for you. Every single RPG in existence owes it’s creation to d&d. All of them. Show a little fucking respect.
“We’ve got both kinds of music here. Country and western”
My dude if you don’t like DND you probably won’t like its brother Pathfinder. There are many, many, rpgs out there that aren’t a close relative. Pbta is huge. Fate is old but good. Gurps has been around forever. WoD/CofD is dear to me.
Lol to WOTC? Fat fucking chance. This is such a bad take.
No
What’s crazy is the more I learn about 3.5, the more it seems perfect for a CRPG where the game is keeping track of everything for you and does the calculations in a split second.
This is so easily disproven that I’m wondering whether this is a troll comment. There are many well known RPGs that were developed independently and contemporary to D&D, which themselves have many derivatives. GDW published Traveller in 1977. Chaosium published Runequest in 1978 and Call of Cthulhu in 1981. Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone have been writing Fighting Fantasy books since 1982.
D&D itself is based partially on Dave Arneson’s Blackmoor game, which he’d been designing since 1971.